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Yeah, I looked at that this evening.  Sold at (?) $44k (including 23% buyers premium). The description waxed poetic that it all LOOKED original, BUT...the manufacturer was listed as "something Crawford or another". So...you have something that looks all original OEM but paperwork lists a non-OEM manufacturer.  Each to his own.  Not listed as C&R. 

That's quite a premium for something with no provenance and not C&R. 

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16 hours ago, Lewisfan said:

Yeah, I looked at that this evening.  Sold at (?) $44k (including 23% buyers premium). The description waxed poetic that it all LOOKED original, BUT...the manufacturer was listed as "something Crawford or another". So...you have something that looks all original OEM but paperwork lists a non-OEM manufacturer.  Each to his own.  Not listed as C&R. 

That's quite a premium for something with no provenance and not C&R. 

Could it have been an amnesty registration?  The serial and crown markings look legitimate.  The name on the paperwork was the one registering it and probably didn’t know what information to use in ‘68.  I didn’t see any other markings in the pictures.  A FOIA request could get the C&R status confirmed.

For what was paid, it was bought way waaay too early…or Elon wanted it. ?

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On 12/20/2024 at 10:44 PM, Lewisfan said:

My Pearl K is within 5 serial numbers from that one being sold.  Mine looks quite different today. Here's a quick pic with an Uzi for comparison. 

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Nice set up! 

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On 12/21/2024 at 9:24 PM, APEXgunparts said:

Speaking of transferable Swede K SMG's..
I marked this on the Morphy auction, but knew I had no hope of being the winning bidder!

Richard

ORIGINAL GREEN FINISH CARL GUSTAF M/45 SWEDISH K MACHINE GUN (FULLY TRANSFERABLE).

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Well, this is not original Swedish. Sweden converted all their M45's to M45B's (which this is not) and welded up the magazine well. This gun is clearly a M45, with the modified recoil spring cap latch, so my bet is a parts kit build. 

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11 minutes ago, Remo Williams 1 said:

The auction K that APEX linked has made in Sweden by the front end of the receiver. I’ve only ever seen this on parts kits, never on a Wilson or Pearl gun. Maybe this one was imported prior to Sweden updating their K’s to B model???

Great question and one that I am unable to answer. Based on my several years of research & knowing these guns quite well, I stand by my assessment. Sweden never exported their own guns (licensed to Egypt; i.e. KPIST) and this one certainly does not look like, nor have the characteristics of an Amnestry bring back (Vietnam). The gun characteristics are not consistent with each other and have cross model features. I know that there are a few (very few, with prices at the $50K+ range, when sold) original C&R K's in the registry, to include a few CIA ghost guns (now with minimal SN stamps) and just a few original 45's and maybe a 45B or two. I know of no 45C or 45S C&R guns in the registry. 

 

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There's stuff "out there" in the woodwork that we don't know about.  That's part of the fun. 

The auction gun looks great.  It would be nice to have more info. Worst case it is a very nicely done reweld. Best case it's the VN era gun used by Staff Sergeant Dix to win the medal of honor.

What's the saying - "buy the gun and not the story."

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17 minutes ago, Lewisfan said:

There's stuff "out there" in the woodwork that we don't know about.  That's part of the fun. 

The auction gun looks great.  It would be nice to have more info. Worst case it is a very nicely done reweld. Best case it's the VN era gun used by Staff Sergeant Dix to win the medal of honor.

What's the saying - "buy the gun and not the story."

Good points.

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41 minutes ago, Got Uzi said:

My pre sample K I had was an M45 even tho the paperwork said it was an M45B model. I find it interesting how this stuff all works out. 

I agree. I've been cleaning up my Form 4's for years now. But, you would think the auction houses would spend some time and get their facts straight before putting stuff out to bid. If this were a real C&R Swedish M45 (A, B, C or S) the value would be $50K+. 

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Most auction houses don’t want to mess with the paperwork or take the time as they have a commitment to the seller to turn their item(s) into cash and not drag it out by trying to do paperwork changes while it’s in their possession. 

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7 minutes ago, StrangeRanger said:

Especially since it's an "MB" series tube, which are known to require significant work to assemble properly

Heck, I didn't even see that. Now my opinion on this gun is absolute. Thanks for catching that. 

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Regarding the Morphy M45. The gun looks fine to me. The only questionable thing is the paperwork with "CALVARY CONSULTING" Like mentioned above it is probably how it was registered. Looks legit and factory made. The pigs on the case ejector are rolled over like they should be. The magwell is also correct with the clip rolled & riveted. The barrel shroud has the smaller holes. Build rivets are defiantly factory. The LEFT side wooden grip has been modified with a rolled or chamfered edge. Blueing is correct on the small parts and the endcap tang locks up with the frame perfectly. Bolt has the earlier flat spring retainer on the ejector.

The "MADE IN SWEDEN" might have been added. I have seen 2 factory guns with just the serial numbered parts and a couple crown stamps but did not have the "made in Sweden"

 

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If it’s a MB series gun, then it’s not “original” and subject to normal , no -upgraded MB pricing.  
 

stay away unless you are inclined to upgrade via Andrewski. $3,500. 
 

Then it will be excellent.  See my earlier posts on “L” & “MB” series K’s. 

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You're getting your Ks confused.

The Gunbroker gun is a Pearl gun

The Morphy's gun is a probably an original Carl Gustav that was "remanufactured" (possibly on paper only)

The gun that Got Uzi bought is a Wilson MB that was built/rebuilt by Andrewski

The Keystone do-it-yourself kit with the stupid price tag is the MB receiver with a pile of parts

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