Frank I. Posted December 31, 2024 Report Share Posted December 31, 2024 Looks like an original Swedish K sold with 20% premium for $44,280, https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/catalog.aspx?auctionid=643&sessionid=2 " Electronic NFA registry indicates “CALVARY CONSULTING” as the manufacturer. No evidence this gun was ever deactivated, and this cataloger cannot explain how this manufacturer appears associated to this gun in the NFATR. CONDITION: Absolutely superb original green painted finish. Gun could well be unissued. " Lot #2070: (N) OUTSTANDING ORIGINAL GREEN FINISH CARL GUSTAF M/45 SWEDISH K MACHINE GUN (FULLY TRANSFERABLE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 See the S&W M76 for $32K! Wow. I am always surprised at the auction results... PPSH was way low, M3 ran a bit low also. This highlights the dangers and potential benefits of using an auction house to sell guns. Since most of my collection has stories behind the guns, I'll sell to collectors, not shooters. I think that way, the real value of the guns (avoiding transactional sales) can be explained and appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Ah ha. Having read a bit more, the PPSH is really a Chinese type 50 PPSH copy, and the M3 is not in nearly the condition described. To me, that explains things, except for the M76. Someone must have really wanted that gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 16 hours ago, Frank Iannamico said: Looks like an original Swedish K sold with 20% premium for $44,280, https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/catalog.aspx?auctionid=643&sessionid=2 " Electronic NFA registry indicates “CALVARY CONSULTING” as the manufacturer. No evidence this gun was ever deactivated, and this cataloger cannot explain how this manufacturer appears associated to this gun in the NFATR. CONDITION: Absolutely superb original green painted finish. Gun could well be unissued. " Lot #2070: (N) OUTSTANDING ORIGINAL GREEN FINISH CARL GUSTAF M/45 SWEDISH K MACHINE GUN (FULLY TRANSFERABLE). Frank, I am suspicious of this M45. Something just is not right. I addressed this in another thread, however the Swedes converted all their gun to M45B's (welded the magazine wells, installed a secondary recoil spring end cap latch and installed a selector switch (semi/auto)). This example is missing two of the features. I also recall reading that Sweden did not export any "Green" painted guns.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labanaktis Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 I would really like to see a M45 with this “welded” mag well… never seen one “welded” I have seen them with the clip riveted and also with the pin riveted but never “welded” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewisfan Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Yeah...all of those select fire kits that got imported are missing the removable magwell pin. Why? Most likely they were all riveted in place and the rivets were removed. Loose magwells and pin holes on the kits are identical to all of the other non select fire kits. Just no magwell retaining pins came with the kits. That's my explanation for why they're missing. I've had several of the select fire kits and they're all the same. No welded magwell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labanaktis Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 (edited) That is correct. This was a Vietnam bringback. Has the Crown stamp on the Trunnion at 12 o’clock, a serial number and a “B” with the “B” having a sharp edge on top and bottom. Does not have “MADE IN SWEDEN” on it. A few other crown stamps thou… Non-removable mag well, has the barrel shroud with serrated ring welded in 3 places, small shroud holes, non select fire, also has the updated end cap w/locking lug… it is my understanding that this was the configuration most were sold to country’s during war-time. There is another version where the mag well is held with the “clip”. That clip has pigs on the left side of the weapon. Once installed, the pigs are riveted on and it becomes permanent. That is how all the select fire kits came into the US. Edited January 2 by Labanaktis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 14 hours ago, Labanaktis said: I would really like to see a M45 with this “welded” mag well… never seen one “welded” I have seen them with the clip riveted and also with the pin riveted but never “welded” Okay, riveted, but the idea is the same. Fixed, not removable. I wrote before I looked at my research material, knowing they were fixed. My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 11 hours ago, Labanaktis said: That is correct. This was a Vietnam bringback. Has the Crown stamp on the Trunnion at 12 o’clock, a serial number and a “B” with the “B” having a sharp edge on top and bottom. Does not have “MADE IN SWEDEN” on it. A few other crown stamps thou… Non-removable mag well, has the barrel shroud with serrated ring welded in 3 places, small shroud holes, non select fire, also has the updated end cap w/locking lug… it is my understanding that this was the configuration most were sold to country’s during war-time. There is another version where the mag well is held with the “clip”. That clip has pigs on the left side of the weapon. Once installed, the pigs are riveted on and it becomes permanent. That is how all the select fire kits came into the US. You are 100% correct. The gun pictured, with a "B" suffix serial # is quite rare. Do you own it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 11 hours ago, Labanaktis said: That is correct. This was a Vietnam bringback. Has the Crown stamp on the Trunnion at 12 o’clock, a serial number and a “B” with the “B” having a sharp edge on top and bottom. Does not have “MADE IN SWEDEN” on it. A few other crown stamps thou… Non-removable mag well, has the barrel shroud with serrated ring welded in 3 places, small shroud holes, non select fire, also has the updated end cap w/locking lug… it is my understanding that this was the configuration most were sold to country’s during war-time. There is another version where the mag well is held with the “clip”. That clip has pigs on the left side of the weapon. Once installed, the pigs are riveted on and it becomes permanent. That is how all the select fire kits came into the US. Jerry Prasser also has a ghost gun M45, no SN (one was added to an internal part for registration purposes). Same type of set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labanaktis Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rekraps said: Okay, riveted, but the idea is the same. Fixed, not removable. I wrote before I looked at my research material, knowing they were fixed. My apologies. Not the same. Welded is not serviceable. Riveted via pins or clip is serviceable. From a Manufacturing / Ordnance standpoint, it’s a night and day difference. Another example of this is the case ejector that’s riveted inside the receiver (requires specific tooling jig for installation). Factory guns are riveted so that it can be replaced upon failure. All the Wilson guns (L’s & MB’s) are welded because the case ejectors were not available here in the states. Pearl guns are still welded but if someone had an unbuilt Pearl receiver and these parts you could build one closer to a factory weapon. Another guy that has a few transferable receivers could be built this way to… also note the 2 different lengths of case ejectors. Edited January 2 by Labanaktis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 What I meant was that the magazine well was "fixed", not removable via the U pin as on the M45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 Getting off topic... I remain suspect of the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labanaktis Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rekraps said: You are 100% correct. The gun pictured, with a "B" suffix serial # is quite rare. Do you own it? 👍🏻 getting off topic Edited January 2 by Labanaktis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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