Rekraps Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 This site is wonderful for checking the status of your MP38 or MP40. I used it to verify data points on my gun prior to purchase. Mine is listed... bnz 1159 website is https://www.mp40.nl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 (edited) Great resource! Mine's listed also, 2979 b. I initially thought that the suffix was an f and reported it a such. The gun was reported to the website owner a number of years ago. Edited January 28 by TSMGguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinBama Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Mine isn't listed, guess I should send in the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 On 1/24/2025 at 3:54 PM, BillinBama said: Mine isn't listed, guess I should send in the info. Yes! It’ll help if and when you decide to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signal_4 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 (edited) I need to email in my display numbers ! Erma marked 27 40 ! Edited January 28 by signal_4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 I think this registry is for C&R only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signal_4 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 21 hours ago, Rekraps said: I think this registry is for C&R only. Not sure. Because he said he’s adding it. Ind if his legends asks if live or deactivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68coupe Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Isn't C&R a US only thing? I've always understood it to be a particular type of FFL, which streamlines and/or simplifies transfers. My humble opinion, Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Collector Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 While I can't speak for the Dutch guy whos own the website and collects the data, my sense is that he is only interested in examples of original WWII production guns to add to his database. For those of us here in the US, that would mean he is not interested in "tube" guns. I believe he would be interested in "transferables" (assuming the gun utilizes an original WWII receiver) and, as noted, what we call "Curio and Relic" guns under the federal law definitions we operate under. With a huge majority of the guns listed as being matching numbers, my sense is that he really wants data on guns that have survived with their major components intact and matching. This is just my opinion based on what I observed when looking over the Dutch website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Collector Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 And, no - I was not aware of this Dutch guy's efforts and database; thanks for posting! I checked and my (incoming) C&R MP38 (27 code 1940 #687b) is not on the list. When it finally arrives I'll make a report to this guy. Very frustrating paper transfer that took right at 1 year to get approved (12/4/25) but Seller has still not received the approved paperwork via US Mail as of today . . . so I still don't have an MP38 in the collection! An even worse situation for me is a C&R MP40 (bnz 43 #1726 N) approved in May, 2024 (paper transfer) and the paperwork has never arrived at the Seller's mailbox. Once we hit the approximate 1 year mark post-submission and had heard nothing, I made inquiry to NFA Branch; that is when I found out that the transfer had been approved almost 7 months earlier! Request for certified copy of approved transfer was submitted 12/12/24 and acknowleded as having been received, but thus far no certified copy has been forthcoming (although a very nice lady at NFA Branch said it could take "up to 45 days" for a response). I had no choice but to do paper transfers on both of these, as both sellers were non-SOT individuals. The MP40 was a complicated multi-layered "old estate" situation where gun was registered to the 1968 Amnesty registrant (the WWII vet who brought it back) so a bunch of estate paperwork, affidavits, materials re: relevant state laws of intestate succession, etc. was submitted. At the opposite end of the spectrum, middle of last year I had an MG08 e-transfer from my local SOT to me in 3.5 days (one of which was a federal holiday) . . . so I've had some recent great experiences with fast approvals, as well as some not-so-great experiences. Oh well . . . . all just part of the hobby! Again, thanks for alerting everyone to the MP38, et al, database. And, yes - I found it very interesting that virtually all of the reported MP38's were "all matching" guns (as is incoming #687b). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 31 Author Report Share Posted January 31 17 hours ago, 68coupe said: Isn't C&R a US only thing? I've always understood it to be a particular type of FFL, which streamlines and/or simplifies transfers. My humble opinion, Karl What meant by that was I'm not sure he registers "Tube" guns, like Wilson. The registry I see only shows original German manufactured MP38 and MP40 guns, with German upper and lowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 31 Author Report Share Posted January 31 16 hours ago, MS Collector said: While I can't speak for the Dutch guy whos own the website and collects the data, my sense is that he is only interested in examples of original WWII production guns to add to his database. For those of us here in the US, that would mean he is not interested in "tube" guns. I believe he would be interested in "transferables" (assuming the gun utilizes an original WWII receiver) and, as noted, what we call "Curio and Relic" guns under the federal law definitions we operate under. With a huge majority of the guns listed as being matching numbers, my sense is that he really wants data on guns that have survived with their major components intact and matching. This is just my opinion based on what I observed when looking over the Dutch website. I think you are spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorg69 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 he don't care about live or semi or dewat . if you have an original mp38 /40/41 you can send a mail him with gun's data. my mp38 is deactivated and is in the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Johnson Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 I'd like to enter my MP40 information into the data base. How would I do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 12 hours ago, Keith Johnson said: I'd like to enter my MP40 information into the data base. How would I do this? Here ya go! https://www.mp40.nl/index.php?page=serial-database Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfenzapf Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 I recently updated my entire website with a lot of new fact about the MP38, MP40 and MP41 and off course the prototypes. I also updated the serial number list. The url listed above this post is the old link. Please use: https://www.mp40.nl/data-info/serial-number-database. I'm only registering number matching MP's because the idea behind the serial listing is to learn and understand the production evolution of the different manufacturers. A non-matching MP does not contribute to this understanding. Please send me an e-mail: info@mp40.nl with the detail of your MP and I will add them to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 5 hours ago, Wolfenzapf said: I recently updated my entire website with a lot of new fact about the MP38, MP40 and MP41 and off course the prototypes. I also updated the serial number list. The url listed above this post is the old link. Please use: https://www.mp40.nl/data-info/serial-number-database. I'm only registering number matching MP's because the idea behind the serial listing is to learn and understand the production evolution of the different manufacturers. A non-matching MP does not contribute to this understanding. Please send me an e-mail: info@mp40.nl with the detail of your MP and I will add them to the list. Thanks for the work you do and the data base. Very important in the long run, and for research as collectors buy guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker402 Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Nice to see mine in the updated database! Yes, thanks for the work you put into this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Henley Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 On 1/23/2025 at 11:46 AM, TSMGguy said: Great resource! Mine's listed also, 2979 b. I initially thought that the suffix was an f and reported it a such. The gun was reported to the website owner a number of years ago. What is the suffix on my BNZ41 (see attached picture)? I see there is a BNZ41 SN 5147 with a F suffix in the database, which begs the question is mine a F suffix. Not sure how it would have gotten in the database except maybe someone saw a picture on this forum and input it. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 On 6/19/2025 at 11:49 AM, Robert Henley said: What is the suffix on my BNZ41 (see attached picture)? I see there is a BNZ41 SN 5147 with a F suffix in the database, which begs the question is mine a F suffix. Not sure how it would have gotten in the database except maybe someone saw a picture on this forum and input it. Robert I've always had trouble with the old German cursive script as it appears on firearms. I don't know what your letter suffix is, but I know mine's probably an l or a k. Fortunately it's registered without a suffix at all, avoiding official confusion and obfuscation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Henley Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, TSMGguy said: I've always had trouble with the old German cursive script as it appears on firearms. I don't know what your letter suffix is, but I know mine's probably an l or a k. Fortunately it's registered without a suffix at all, avoiding official confusion and obfuscation! Sometime ago someone on the Board posted the old German alphabet, which I've attached, and I couldn't tell what mine was. I understand many registrations did not have the suffix. Maybe someone who knows more about the German alphabet will see and enlighten us. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 L seems to be the latest serial number suffix for 1941 bnz MP40s. That would seem to suggest production of something greater than 130,000 guns in 1941, assuming unbroken serial number blocks of 9,999 guns conforming to normal observed German letter suffix practices. I suppose mine could be a lower-case b. Just can't tell for sure. German guys who have handled the gun are not certain, either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 22 Author Report Share Posted June 22 20 hours ago, TSMGguy said: L seems to be the latest serial number suffix for 1941 bnz MP40s. That would seem to suggest production of something greater than 130,000 guns in 1941, assuming unbroken serial number blocks of 9,999 guns conforming to normal observed German letter suffix practices. I suppose mine could be a lower-case b. Just can't tell for sure. German guys who have handled the gun are not certain, either! Mine is a bnz41 "L" gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinBama Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 I am assuming (should never do) everyone got the email from Alex about the update of his website? I can't open it on my PC right now but visited it a couple of days ago from my tablet. MP40.nl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 9 minutes ago, BillinBama said: I am assuming (should never do) everyone got the email from Alex about the update of his website? I can't open it on my PC right now but visited it a couple of days ago from my tablet. MP40.nl Here's a link that works: https://www.mp40.nl/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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