Suppressor tax stamp going away?

[StrangeRanger]

There won't be any Form 4s or intensive FBI checks if they take suppressors out of the NFA merely the standard 4473 and NICS check.  I see lots of straw man purchases

Here's a nightmare scenario that nobody is considering: Nobody is taking into account that we have a Federal system of both national and state laws  If Congress passes the Bill suppressors will no longer be regulated by the Feds.  The Several States suddenly realize that nearly everyone can now have a suppressor and that they are no longer "protected" by the ATF regulating and tracking ownership.  The state legislatures of roughly a fourth of the states then pass bills outlawing suppressors and some may do so without grandfathering those previously registered by the ATF.

Think it couldn't happen? The Attorneys General of 16 states are already in court challenging the Rare Breed FRT settlement.  If they lose the legislatures of those states will in all likelihood outlaw FRTs under state law and in the wording of those state laws they may well outlaw existing legally registered full-autos just as the wording of the National Firearms Act allows them to do.

https://apnews.com/article/justice-department-guns-forced-reset-triggers-5454830f5b90bee167db0633296c6651

Can you say "Phyrric victory"?  

Edited June 11, 2025 by StrangeRanger
Added link to story

[Rekraps]

Excellent thoughts... which is exactly why I don't live in a Blue State. Complete madness.

[Got Uzi]

Some red states do weird stuff too. They are all equally worthless in their own ways. 

[timkel]

Not sure exactly what is going to land on Trump's desk. But it's still looking good for some NFA relief in the Big Beautiful Bill.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/big-beautiful-bill-scraps-al-capone-era-tax-sawed-shotguns-short-barreled-rifles

[StrangeRanger]

The devil is in the details on this.  Are they still going to be doing Form 4s without the tax stamp or are they going to totally deregulate them?  If it's total deregulation it may lead to states enacting laws with far more Draconian regs than the fed currently has.

[BillinBama]

13 hours ago, StrangeRanger said:

The devil is in the details on this.  Are they still going to be doing Form 4s without the tax stamp or are they going to totally deregulate them?  If it's total deregulation it may lead to states enacting laws with far more Draconian regs than the fed currently has.

AS I understand it (and I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination!), this bill would only remove the $200 tax stamp fee from the registration, suppressors still would have to be approved on a Form 4 as before.  They will still be on the NFA registry but the stamp goes away.  As I see it, this is the best solution for now, since efile is now taking a day or so, there's little downside, and plenty of upside.  For me, the biggest positive I see is that used suppressors will now have some value.  A $4-500 can doesn't sell well in the used marketplace for obvious reasons, and an out-of-state transfer that requires two stamps is not even on the table under the present law.  If there's no stamp then these used suppressors will gain value and can be traded at will.  It will also increase sales as many first time buyers are turned off by the $200 stamp cost.  JMO. 

[StrangeRanger]

 

if everything remains in the Registry but now tax free it will reduce the likelihood of the state legislatures getting involved which is my personal nightmare

[Don.]

On 6/19/2025 at 10:16 AM, StrangeRanger said:

 

if everything remains in the Registry but now tax free it will reduce the likelihood of the state legislatures getting involved which is my personal nightmare

Sounds like you need to be in a better state.  I have no concerns over SD taking away our rights to appease the fears of an insignificant minority of sheeple that will be crying about this.

[Rekraps]

Bill, the senate version of the BBB has suppressors/SBR's/short barreled shotguns taken off the NFA list for a tax stamp! 

[StrangeRanger]

Most states, including SD and probably most if not all other states, already have state laws on the books outlawing SBRs and SBSs in most cases with an exception made for those in the Registry.  This was done by the states to allow them to charge possession of illegal weapons under state law rather than relying on the Feds.  Those laws may or may not reference the NFA directly or agree with its exact wording.  If these guns were removed from the Registry depending on the exact wording of the state laws those weapons could still be illegal under those laws and possession of them could still be prosecuted.  Here in the "red" state of Ohio our definition of a SBS did not agree verbatim with the NFA and when Mossberg introduced the Shockwave it was still illegal under the state law.  That has since been corrected but there is no assurance that every state would repeal or amend their laws accordingly.  We would still be looking at a patchwork of state laws making the accidental commission of a felony a very real possibility when traveling interstate

[StrangeRanger]

https://apnews.com/article/tax-bill-big-beautiful-trump-senate-guns-2dc07c2e0320d81448b5d45f15088028?

If the AP is correct and if this passes then the buyers of these weapons would only be subject to the cursory NICS check not the full FBI colonoscopy leading to the situation I outlined above

 

[Arthur Fliegenheimer]

After BBB passed today, Staff Sergeant (Ret.) Johnny “Joey” Jones celebrated  on FNC's The Five the repeal of the 91 year old $200 tax on SBR/Suppressors .The rest of the co-hosts were nonplussed at this comment.

[BillinBama]

17 hours ago, Arthur Fliegenheimer said:

After BBB passed today, Staff Sergeant (Ret.) Johnny “Joey” Jones celebrated  on FNC's The Five the repeal of the 91 year old $200 tax on SBR/Suppressors .The rest of the co-hosts were nonplussed at this comment.

As are probably 98% of the populace.  Nobody knows what suppressor laws are, most think they are illegal just as they they think MG's are illegal.  But for us 2 percenters it's a pretty big win.  Especially those of us who are dealers, my sales projections just jumped way up.  I am in the process of telling all my regulars they no longer must fork over two bills to the feds for the privilege of owning a can.  And as i previously stated, I believe this will be a big boost for used cans  too.  I am just waiting for ATF to issue their ruling, hopefully it will be swift in coming. 

[dalbert]

I personally don’t care that these NFA changes passed.  Seems like the only positive is resale prices of suppressors will benefit.  Maybe it will encourage me to do an SBR, idk.  Seems like more attention overall to the NFA than is prudent.  Just my $.02, FWIW.

David

[Got Uzi]

And their will be another backlog on Form 4’s due to the increased buyer pool as well as nothing in inventory for months….itll be interesting to say the least. Just hope this “win” doesn’t turn around and bite us in the ass like so many things do when political idiots “help us” 

[StrangeRanger]

We haven't seen the final text yet.  Does this Bill simply remove the tax stamp or does it remove suppressors, SBRs and SBSs from the Registry?

So now that the Republicans have kicked the door open to revising the NFA, what is there to prevent the Democrats from doing the same when they again come into power?

Edited July 4, 2025 by StrangeRanger

[BillinBama]

I was just shown the revised federal register on this, apparently suppressors and SBR's are removed from the NFA registry,  so no backlog, just lots of cans will be sold and long wait times for the manufacturers to catch up.

[Got Uzi]

So does that also mean anyone will be selling suppressors or just class 3 dealers? 
 

Where did you find that information?

[RoscoeTurner]

2 hours ago, Got Uzi said:

So does that also mean anyone will be selling suppressors or just class 3 dealers? 
 

Where did you find that information?

Only the tax was removed, SBR and suppressors are still NFA items.  Due to the Byrd Rule the Senate Parliamentarian required the provision requiring their removal from the NFA registry be stripped from the legislation.

[StrangeRanger]

Can someone please post relevant the section number of the Bill (or the EXACT enacted text? I tried looking for it in the index, no luck

[BillinBama]

57 minutes ago, RoscoeTurner said:

Only the tax was removed, SBR and suppressors are still NFA items.  Due to the Byrd Rule the Senate Parliamentarian required the provision requiring their removal from the NFA registry be stripped from the legislation.

I didn't see that, but I'm sure in the haste and confusion of the final hours lots of things changed.   This is the federal register quote I saw:

 

This is Section 2.  SEC. 2. Equal treatment of silencers and firearms.

(a) In general.—Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking “(7) any silencer” and all that follows through “; and (8)” and inserting “and (7)”.

This is 5845 (a)

§5845. Definitions

For the purpose of this chapter-

(a) Firearm

The term "firearm" means (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7)any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and (8) a destructive device. The term "firearm" shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.

[StrangeRanger]

Found it

Section 112029 of the Bill on page 968

https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr1/BILLS-119hr1eh.pdf

As I read it:

AOWs are still $5

Suppressors are $0

SBRs, SBSs and full autos are still $200

Everything still transfers through the Registry

Edited July 5, 2025 by StrangeRanger
more info

[Got Uzi]

With all the back and forth plus disinformation/propaganda it was nearly impossible to keep track of the big #^%# bill and it’s riders that had nothing to do with it’s main intent.
 

MSRP on suppressors will all be going up $150-$200 now….if someone was willing to pay that same amount before, they will now except it’s going to the manufacturer….

[Got Uzi]

Oh yeah….i almost forgot to add….the fact that people will think it’ll take effect right now and be pissed when they realize it won’t go into effect for awhile yet. 

[Rekraps]

57 minutes ago, StrangeRanger said:

Found it

Section 112029 of the Bill on page 968

https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hr1/BILLS-119hr1eh.pdf

As I read it:

AOWs are still $5

Suppressors are $0

SBRs, SBSs and full autos are still $200

Everything still transfers through the Registry

So the ATF still maintains a registry and buyers still have to go through the ATF process to obtain/keep one? Just saving $200 per unit. If so, glad i took advantage of the SBR amnesty period!