pitfighter Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 (edited) Found on an "ex-police" forum - The cops are brothers, Chester and Lester from Bethany, Oklahoma, they're traffic cops - no one knows what the firearms are. Anyone here able to clarfify? I thought they were Reisings, but those cock from beneath the front stock. Edited January 1 by pitfighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Ingram M6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hammer Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 S&W 76....No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 The side of the receiver looks like it's flat and there's a vertical foregrip. That's why I guessed the M6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitfighter Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 Not an Ingram, the reciver on the SMG in the photo has a cover that goes frok the front grip to the top of the receiver - the ingram when it had a foregrip utlized a Thomnpson clone front grip. Not a MK76 or MK760 or Carl Gustav - again the receiver and foregrip combo doesnt fit. I was thinking some weird 1970's Plainfield .30 M1 carbine creation - but, again the stock doesn't match. I looked at the various Wilkinson Arms Lindas, but no foregrips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincylance Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 Wow, that’s an odd one. I was only able to find out more about the brothers but not the guns they’re holding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 I wonder if what they are holding are not actually firearms but some type of radar gun. Or perhaps, a mace gun designed for crowds or prison/jail use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 a made up gallery gun for pictures.or homemade zip guns.it could be anything. since the pic barely shows anything. like showa piece of wood officer. is it 1928 is it mia1 or is it made current today.or maybe kahr made sawmill scraps.barrel looks like 9mm to 45acpcocking handle looks dished some carbine added grip thing front end.maybe they bought them from CURTIS EARL, MAYBE STILL IN THE INVENTORY.LOOKS WOOD WITH METAL TYPE GRIP. and if thats a mag in one pic could be a 30 rd type. or could be marx toy for pictures.also is picture 50's era or 60s. they don't look like reisings. but as i said a bad pic for the guns to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincylance Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 I tend to think that these were prototypes developed by someone local to this police department and maybe this was a photo shoot to help promote the guns to try and get a contract to produce them. They appear to be about 9 mm in bore size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitfighter Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 I was thinking a chopped M1 Carbine is some kind of fiberglass stock, like the Deerfield conversions that were once semi popular. It's a head scratcher, indeed - The brothers were obviously some tough SOB's and cops from another generation - fun stuff to read about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hammer Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 Probably just toy guns. Look at the irregularities of symmetry of the barrel and shroud ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Looks similar to the old Skorpion VZ pistols or the Polish PM-63. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 They might be Enforcers. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, dalbert said: They might be Enforcers. David We may have a winner. https://m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_ijenforcer.html Here's a photo of the barrel band. Front site looks about right too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DINK Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 I think the version of the Enforcer that was made by Universal would be closer. They had the blade-type rear sight and smooth sided front stock (no finger groove). The only think I can't find an image of is a stock with a front grip, although I know they were made back around the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 On 1/2/2026 at 5:23 PM, Mike Hammer said: Probably just toy guns. Look at the irregularities of symmetry of the barrel and shroud ends. I'm with Mike. Toy or fake guns. There were too many available SMG's at the time and these resemble none of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hammer Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Photo is from the 1960's, before the enforcer was made. Zoom in on the barrel muzzles. Have you ever seen such misshapen distorted muzzles on a real shoot able gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) Here’s a similar shot with my Enforcer. They did come out in the early 60s from Universal. I think it’s possible it could be an Enforcer, but possible has something added to the muzzle end. Could that be the bent end? I’m not sure when the front pistol grip came out on the Enforcer. Mine is an M2 conversion so the barrel just sticks out past the end cap on mine. Ron Edited January 5 by ron_brock Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 I should add that mine was carried a chief of police in his squad car. He’s the one who converted and registered it as well. The left side has a shortened leather sling used as a strap to stabilize. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68coupe Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 FWIW, it would be simple enough to add a Thompson vertical foregrip to a carbine stock. Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Enforcers with muzzle devices is my vote. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitfighter Posted January 10 Author Report Share Posted January 10 yes - perhaps a chopped M1 in a deerfield stock and screw on M2 flash hider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68coupe Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 On 1/5/2026 at 11:08 AM, 68coupe said: FWIW, it would be simple enough to add a Thompson vertical foregrip to a carbine stock. Karl 9 hours ago, pitfighter said: yes - perhaps a chopped M1 in a deerfield stock and screw on M2 flash hider. That looks remarkably like a Thompson vertical foregrip. Numrich sells a Solder-on flash hider for the carbine. Combine all that with a perforated steel upper hand guard and I think we've identified our suspect! LOL Karl, 68coupe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Quaid Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) I think you guys nailed it with the Enforcer. Good job. I think that cops back them might have posed with toy guns as a joke, but probably would not have published it in a newspaper. People were more formal back then. I knew a cop who accidentally left his hand in his pocket for a photo, and was holding a cigarette in his other hand, and they reamed him for it. It hurt his career. Edited January 11 by Doug Quaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitfighter Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 On 1/5/2026 at 8:28 AM, ron_brock said: I should add that mine was carried a chief of police in his squad car. He’s the one who converted and registered it as well. The left side has a shortened leather sling used as a strap to stabilize. Ron Sorry - Ron, I just need to know how that M2 (presumeably FA) Enforcer handles, that's actually a serious degree of firepower in a small package? The bandit that engaged with him thinking he was taking on a cop with a .38 service pistol would have had a surpirse!@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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