StrangeRanger Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1152584526 He claims it is "a genuine MP28,II" and babbles on about its "authentic service use" but the barrel shroud is clearly from a Lanchester and for some unknown reason the builder welded the mag housing to the receiver tube/shroud. Frankenstein's monster was less of a hack job than this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinBama Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 $800 seems about right. Obviously the seller disagreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 If all the internal parts are present and are genuine MP28 (not Lanchester or homemade replacements) it would be worth way more than $800 as a receiverless parts kit if you could cut apart and carefully machine away the weld to salvage the mag housing. The mag housing assembly if complete is probably worth almost that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 You guys are so funny. It's a MP Lanchester II. Even I know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 (edited) Everything in front of that wretchedly bad weld is Lanchester. The mag housing and probably everything else behind it are probably Schmeisser. EDIT: I was wrong I messaged the seller. It has a bolt from a FA Lanchester not an select fire MP28. AFAIK an unaltered Lanchester bolt is not compatible with the SA mode on an MP28 FCG. No idea what the builder may have kluged together in there but it's likely to be FA only. I want to hurt someone😶 Edited January 25 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 18 hours ago, StrangeRanger said: Everything in front of that wretchedly bad weld is Lanchester. The mag housing and probably everything else behind it are probably Schmeisser. EDIT: I was wrong I messaged the seller. It has a bolt from a FA Lanchester not an select fire MP28. AFAIK an unaltered Lanchester bolt is not compatible with the SA mode on an MP28 FCG. No idea what the builder may have kluged together in there but it's likely to be FA only. I want to hurt someone😶 It's hard to believe that seller is posting the gun with the description he has. Buyer beware! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinBama Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 Up to $1000, I've inquired as to it's pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) I already asked. The answer will be more entertaining than enlightening. Mutts have no pedigrees. He did however 'update" his listing with the same bullshit he spewed to me in his email If you look at the parts involved, their value is still probably more than the value of the gun if you disregard the shop labor required to salvage them Edited January 26 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinBama Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Yeah, I received a message from my inquiry too, he's basing everything on the NFA registration as an MP28, despite the fact there's almost nothing of a 28 in the mess. I should have asked him if it fires at all, and if it will fire semi and full. Oh well, it's up to $1500 now and there's still 4 days left on the auction. Someone may be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) It has a Lanchester bolt which is (as rekraps has often pointed out) is very similar to the FA-only MP18 bolt and llacks the cutouts required by the 28's select-fire mechanism MP28 bolt Lanchester bolt The "golden" part of that kluged up mess is the mag housing. Those things are made of unobtainium. The other bits and pieces have significant value too Edited January 26 by StrangeRanger sppelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Great point. The Lanchester bolts can be used in the MP18, and accommodate the MP18 OEM mags, but not the other way around. The KMP18 bolt "ears" on either side of the ejector guide are too narrow (although they look very close) to allow for the Lanchester mags (STEN) to fit. Whereas, the MP18 magazine feed lips are narrower and fit the narrower guides on the MP18 bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Collector Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 I've had several buddies point out this offering, each of whom lamented the MP28 mag well housing being substantially damaged by the welding of it to this mix-master Lanchester tube and parts. That said, the MP28 mag well housing (#2479) mated to this abomination appears to be from one of the German produced (but Belgium proofed) guns. Note what appears to be a Belgium proof above the "2" in the MP28 model designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 28 Author Report Share Posted January 28 (edited) It's saveable but at something over $3K I'm not sure the value in the parts justify the cost of cutting it back apart and repairing the mag housing. I assume that you've seen the transferable MP28 without a mag housing, end cap, barrel or bolt currently on the block at RIA? There's some possible synergy in combining the two in the hands of a skilled fabricator/machinist and I don't think anyone would weep about this one getting cut up and removed from the Registry Edited January 28 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 Someone met the $3500 reserve for the Frankenschmeisser so it's going to be sold. I hope the ultimate buyer has the intent and the resources to harvest and restore the good pieces of which there are many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Collector Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Yes - I have seen the stripped MP28 tube offered by RIA . . . It is in the 18,000 serial number block so was a German military (E/37 acceptance proof on mag well housing) gun. Anyone know the back story on how this registered C&R gun ended up in its current “stripped” condition? Perhaps the owner took it apart with the intent of a reblued, then somehow managed to misplace the balance of the gun? IMO it is probably an estate item where the owner is deceased or incapacitated (so no longer around or capable of locating the rest of the parts amongst his effects). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Collector Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 I see that the MP28 tube + stock at RIA hammered at 13, so with 17.5% buyers premium, that is 15 all-in. Of course, if state sales tax is applicable to the buyer, the final tab increases. A friend of mine has a super nice German military (E/37 accepted) full parts kit from an “undocumented” matching gun that got cut . . . he was hoping to be able to pair it with the RIA receiver (but not at that type of price, so he dropped out of the bidding and will just keep the kit stuck back in his stash). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted February 1 Author Report Share Posted February 1 I'm currently a skosh low on ready cash at the moment so I wasn't going to do anything except run the numbers. It would have been about than $16.5K to me with tax and S&H. Add $3.9K for the Frankenschmeisser with tax plus S&H and I'd have been over $20K. Include the additional bids required to win both auctions and replacing the missing a barrel and bolt and there's al least another $1-2K. My favorite fabricator/machinist/07 SOT would probably have another $2K or more in salvaging and restoring the mag housing and a few other usable parts. Add in a general refinish and It's somewhere well north of $25K. If all the stars aligned (which they rarely if ever do) that would still have been less than a C&R MP28 but if things didn't go according to plan..... Probably not worth the hassle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) I know it's British but it belongs in this thread https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1154063590 Built with the same attention to detail and pride in workmanship as the Frankenschmeisser. (Same skillful builder) Some people should not be allowed to own a welder Edited February 8 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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