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Okay, Got a capture software for DVD's.

Here it is, someone made this thing for sure.

In the first photo you can see the rails on the side.

In the second photo you can see the lock indentation, just like

a buttstock slide.

Anyone know who did the work on this gun? ( Looks like a 28 Westy)

This would be perfect for the 1930's Rust's violin case!

Best, Zamm

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/zamm/Gripeslide1.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/zamm/Gripslide2.jpg

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Don't think I haven't thought about it! I know several have spoke about such a modification. I have several ideas myself. I wouldn't think it'd be too hard to do, even way back in 1930. If I wanted to make the Thomspon more concealable, this would be a step in that direction. I am sure many people modified their weapons according to their own particular needs (Dillinger?). Even if this was a Hollywood addition, seems like a good idea to me. I am surprised Thompson didn't think of it himself, what with the removeable buttstock.
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Zamm..you come up with the coolest stuff! I've looked at that scene several times and thought it had to have been modified, either that or Tom Hanks slides that grip on with a great slight of hand.

When are we to see more lunch photos from your patio? Hope there will be pasta.... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

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Zamm,

 

Awesome! Looks like the slot in the rail is up where the grip screw goes in. Wonder how it would engage/disengage...possibly a button where the screwhead would be? Maybe toggle a latch under spring pressure...could even use a screw head as a button. Could make the setup pretty invisible with the foregrip installed if done right. I think I might play with this one a bit.

 

Best,

Damon

 

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Damon,

That would be way cool! What a product!

You would have a host of customers to be sure!

( better hurry before they outlaw"removable" foregrips!

 

Motorcar: Thank you, flattery will get you anywhere http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I'm still trying to convince the NYC police museum to let me photograph the

'21 they have on display so I can get to work on a "fine-Art" limited edition print.

Mike's blowing me away with his calander http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif

 

Chris, You NEED this alteration, with that case, whew!

 

Some research to be done. Who produced the film =what armorer did they use = modification solved.

If you watch that scene, it is engaging the rail and sliding to a lock.

But I still don't understand the reciever/frame case set-up.... Oiy

Z

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Acarlg,

Thanks! That was quick.

Anybody subscribed to "IMDbPro Professional Details" where we can get Mr. Lu's

email address? The answers are an email away. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Z

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I have an old movie with Charles Bronson as Machinegun Kelly. It is probably from the 40's. He has a Thompson that has the barrel and grip made together and he put the Thompson together by inserting the barrel and doing a 1/4 turn to lock it in.

 

STEN

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I found 2 people in Calif. by the name of Harry Lu. I think there's a good chance one of these fellows is who you are looking for if anyone cares to use their cell phone.

 

Harry Lu, Emeryville, Ca. (510)654-2164

Harry Lu, Fullerton, Ca. (562)697-8008

 

If anyone scores with talking to the correct Mr. Lu, Please let us know how you made out in your question and answer session. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

 

Mike Hammer

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Mike H.

I think I shall try giving these numbers a call.

 

Hawkeye Joe:

He sounds nice enough to give it a shot.

 

Philasteen:

That sounds perverse! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

 

Gentlemen;

I will report back if I score. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif

Z

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I too have thought about this modification many times. The pictures really are great. They also seem to confirm what I have always thought about how it was done.

Notice where the lock indention is on the rail and also notice Tom's index finger on the front grip. Doesn't it look like he is pushing a button on the front of the grip?

I have always thought there would be a button on the front of the grip (similar to the way the forestock is attachecd on some break-open shotguns, with a button at the tip of the forestock). The wooden grip would have a metal piece inletted into it that would accept the grooves in the rail just like the buttstock assembly. The lock mechanism would be at the front and engage some kind of spring-clip.

It could be done using the exact type of lock used on the buttstock, just proportioned differently.

I have drawn it out many times and feel sure it would work.

Just my $0.02

ZLP

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All,

 

I have drawn this out and have it designed except I think there must be an easier way to do the latch. (I Plan on using the mount screw to actually be an invisible button to work the latch) This afternoon I am going to meet with an engineer friend of mine at ulster precission to look over the design and see if there is anything that can be done to simplify the design and production to keep the costs down. Dan Block and I are working together to get this done.

 

ZLP,

 

I too have thought of the button like you mentioned. I chose to go with the gripscrew button in order to make the conversion as "invisible" as possible. The design that I have now only shows a little metal on the very rear of the grip where the slide will be a bit lower than the receiver and of course the slide end will be visible on the top and the inlet should be close to 3/4 inch. Should look real good. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

 

Zamm,

 

Any chance that really neat software you have can capture any more pics of this?

 

If anyone has designs they would like to present I am still open to all options. Can't wait to get this done.

 

Damon

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Zamm, Damon, ZLP,

 

I had a chance to talk with Tracie at the TCA Show on Friday about this quick detach front foregrip. We happened to be looking at a large picture of a Model 1919 Thompson. It seems that what you are designing has aleady been done.

 

Look at Tracie's book on page 23 "Annihilator II, no. 2. That raised "button" on the bottom of the foregrip mount where it slides into the receiver, Tracie says, is the release for the foregrip. It is also shown, maybe a little clearer, on page 25 on "Annihilator III", No. 7. I'm not certain if he said it was just a pull release.

 

The "button" also appears on "Annihilator I" on page 22.

 

Hope this helps.

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Damon,

I'll go through the film again, but I think those are the best shots.

This sounds like a wicked project. How exciting!

aut-ord-co:

 

cool info! I'll have a look at Tracies book as soon as I get home. Wonder why they dropped this, aside from the logistics of simplicity.

Best, Z

 

 

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Look at Tracie's book on page 23 "Annihilator II, no. 2. That raised "button" on the bottom of the foregrip mount where it slides into the receiver, Tracie says, is the release for the foregrip.

auto-ord-co

 

 

The foregrip mount "button" on the "Persuader" is definitely a screw. The protrusion under the foregrip mount on the Annihilator II, III and 1919 seems to be in the same area.

 

At any rate, this set up would not be a foregrip only detachment but the entire mount as well. Considering the close proximity of the protrusion brace atop the mount, sliding the whole mount with grip on and off would seem an invitation to scrape the bottom of the fins. Unless somehow Eickhoff/Payne figured away for the foregrip screw to melt away. Doesn't Hill actually own some of these prototypes? If this was a quick detach method unique to these prototype TSMG's why didn't he show how it worked in either his "Notes On Auto Ordnance" or "American Legend?"

 

I especially liked the Aston Martin DB V ejection seat used in "Goldfinger." I wanted to make the modifications on mine but I just couldn't bring myself to saw out the roof section for the seat (and occupant) to pass threw.

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Notice where the lock indention is on the rail and also notice Tom's index finger on the front grip. Doesn't it look like he is pushing a button on the front of the grip?
I have always thought there would be a button on the front of the grip (similar to the way the forestock is attachecd on some break-open shotguns, with a button at the tip of the forestock). The wooden grip would have a metal piece inletted into it that would accept the grooves in the rail just like the buttstock assembly. The lock mechanism would be at the front and engage some kind of spring-clip.

 

ZLP

 

That would surely be a precarious position to mount a release mechanism for the vertical foregrip. I could just see someone accidentally pressing into the release while firing the weapon. The TSMG goes one way and the shooters hand, with grip now separated, goes another.

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" I could just see someone accidentally pressing into the release while firing the weapon. The TSMG goes one way and the shooters hand, with grip now separated, goes another. "

 

Hence the term "Spray `n` Pray".... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

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Okay,

Let's see.

Damon, The only other shot that shows anything is the following. You can see the cut rails

in the grip mount. It is also thicker then a factory mount.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/zamm/Grip1.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/zamm/Grip2.jpg.

 

Here is a shot of the Annihilator II.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/zamm/Annihilator.jpg

 

I called the 2 phone numbers that were listed in the earlier part of this thread.

Both were Harry Lu, niether works in film.

I'm still going to try and locate Mr. Lu, I really am curious about this mod. and would love to know why the gun was stored with the reciever apart from the frame. ( I know, just the movies, put the gun together like James Bond).

 

I think Damon's idea of positioning the lock where the grip screw is would be workable, removing the possibility of accidentally

releasing the grip while firing.

Doug Richardson wrote and explained the 3 types of Thompson grip mounts.

Wow, incredible knowledge!

I'm not sure , other then a semi, or full auto Westy, if this would be a feasible modification to do to old

Thomson, say a Savage... But, who knows http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

 

Okay guys, Later.

Z

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QUOTE aut-ord-co:
cool info! I'll have a look at Tracies book as soon as I get home. Wonder why they dropped this, aside from the logistics of simplicity.
Best, Z

 

Zamm,

If you were unaware of this feature on the Annihilator as of this afternoon, where did you locate this photo? Is this from a Hill TCN article? Since the vertical grip does have a screw securing it to the grip mount, that pin would mean the entire grip and mount would be released. Now does this release slide forward to remove it from the receiver (problematic for the barrel fins) or does it just drop out the bottom? Maybe this is why it was abruptly abandoned.

 

Surely something this radically different from the production Colt TSMG's would warrant an explanation and pic of the Annihilator with mount & grip removed. Is Hill holding this back for his third TSMG book effort?

 

At least the prop department used a WH for their mount experimentation for the film

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Arthur,

 

Yes, the photo is from Tracie's book ( *all rights reserved*) with most text stripped away for the post.

 

I don't know the mechanics involved in this, hell, as you said, I did not know about it at all until

yesterday afternoon! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/dry.gif

 

I would be interested in seeing how this grip worked, perhaps a photo of the grip and mount would be nice.

 

I'm sure that gun in Mr. Hanks hand is a Westy.

 

Z

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