John Thedford
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Please be sure and get some pics posted of the display for those of us that can't make the show.
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I have been told by several examiners that the only items they look at are the transferee, transferor, manufacturer, S/N, type of firearm, and FFL/EIN numbers if submitted. I can't say this is completely true but I have submitted several transfers with no barrel length or overall length and they have all come back approved.
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Hmmm..come on guys. Quit berating this fellow collector! It IS his product to price as he wishes. Maybe a more appropriate ad would have stated "POR"...for "priced over retail"
Then everyone would have emailed or called for his price....
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thats the ballpark I was thinking....maybe 25k-27k
no drum with the gun
glad I moved out the last one when I did...as I recall I had close to 30k in it...
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That price seems high in todays market...but it is his gun...and more power to him if he can pull that kind of money on it (of course...here we go again with the "something is only worth what someone will pay for it" reasoning).
I currently have a bid on a 21A. It was represented as a 90% gun...after inspecting pictures I felt that was optimistic. I do know the first bidder came in somewhere around 12k on the gun...and I am in the running for it for quite a bit more money than that. I am starting to wonder after reading these comments on current pricing...what legitimate pricing would be for a nice original gun that might be 80-85% in the average buyers opinion. One note on the % grading though" many sellers I talk to are no longer assigning a % of condition...due to that being so subjective.
It has been a while since I had a 21 for sale..and I hope to snag this one and get to dump a drum or two before I let her go.....
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I don't like the "new original" classification either. Reproduction sounds more appropriate.
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If a FFL purchases an NFA item from an individual it is purchased via F4. When transferred to a dealer..it transfers out on F3. Guns are not "on" forms...they transfer on a form.
I know Joe and like him. Seems like a nice guy. That being said...he could easily have omitted any reference to the potential buyer he could not come to terms with...and simply ignored any email. Maybe he was just having a tough day..and sometimes..when you type something...then hit send....then think it over..you wish you had a "recall button" on the keyboard:)
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There are always two sides to every story and for every problem seller there is an equal if not greater number of problem buyers. It is not fair to bash a seller without having heard his side of the story too.
Folks should not forget that just as easy as it is for a dealer to develop a reputation of someone not to deal with, it is also just as easy to develop a reputation as a buyer that should be avoided. The NFA world is a small world and the Thompson world is much smaller so to have a reputation as a bad dealer or bad customer does not take long for that word to get around.
I know renovate well...have bought and sold several guns with him. Every one of our transactions has been great. I may be bashed, banned, burned at the stake, whatever but in my personal experience I place no value on the recommended list. I know several of the guys there and would deal with them without hesitation but having seen outright dishonest practicies by some that still remain there (the last time I looked---quite some time ago) I personally have no faith in the list in general. Some may know that I have a Class III directory..and some of those recommended dealers have chosen to advertise on our directory. We are happy to list valid FFL/SOT holders and I absolutely have NO INTEREST in policing the list. We have a disclaimer near the top of the website telling buyers and sellers to do their due dilligence before committing to a deal. As one poster said earlier...there are two sides to every story.
As far the pimped out Thompson...there is a saying that something is only worth what someone will pay for it. I like to add "knowledgeable buyer" into the caveat somewhere....
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=163713805
FWIW
I will take a non-rusted one for $250 too!
I will see how things work out. There is someone in the family and an illness involved and was informed today that the person I had been talking to will not be available. I was informed someone else will be handling these and I don't know if the original price quoted to me is still good. My original intention was to take them all and sell them at the creek...but will have to wait and see how things work out (if they do at all). I do have some WWII drums here at my shop as well...have never put them on the market. I don't currently have a 21 or 28 to use them with...though I do have an offer in on a 21AC in a department.
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I know this ain't your first rodeo John but buyer beware perhaps? If the are genuine WWII production you could put me down for a pile at that price....
I know this seller...don't think there will be any issues. Also has some other stuff..including a handfull of UD-42 mags and a Reising 60. Prices on those??
I checked around and could not find any recent sales on those...
thanks.
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Anyone have any idea as to value of UD-42 magazine?
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I have run across a Reising Model 60. Anyone have estimate as to value of it in good condition? One magazine comes with the firearm.
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I was told these are NIW...and think I can move them at a good price. If I can get them cheap enough..at $250 hopefully I wont have to carry any home. Thoughts?
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I have an opportunity to purchase a few dozen WWII era Thompson drums. At this time they are sight unseen but have been told they are new in wrap. Values? Also...what kind of demand for them? If they are cheap enough I want to dump them at the creek.
John Thedford
NFA Sales
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site owner and admin for
http://www.ClassIIIdealers.com
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The majority of buyers that I talk to have a trust. I would guess that registration in the buyers name is second, followed by corporate ownership.
John Thedford
NFA SALES
www.nfasales.com
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I just bought a registered bolt Uzi. The host weapon is simply a semi auto. The bolt is the registered machinegun. However, the registration paperwork states that the bolt is installed in a semi-auto uzi S/N *******.
Most buyers I talk to typically want to purchase a Vector or Group gun because they are built to full SMG specs. Your semi-auto Uzis were not. The bolt guns typically sell for less than a Vector or Group gun. I purchased this bolt gun well below what I would pay for any Vector or Group gun and will sell is for far less than the others. This gun also came with an old RPB .45 suppressor with an adapter to thread it onto the Uzi barrel which someone had threaded. Geez.....that was a $200 waste. Anyways...in the near future this "beauty" LOL will be posted on my website:)
If you can spend a little more...buy the Group or Vector gun. They cost a little more up front...but bring more when you are ready to sell.
John Thedford
NFA SALES
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Up and running! We just started a new web site to link dealers and individuals together. Whether wanting to buy machineguns, wanting to sell machineguns, needing transfers, or needing an 02 to do smithing for you we feel this site will be a benefit to all.
Please check it out and feel free to give feedback either publicly or via email. Thanks to all.
John Thedford
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I am jealous. Surrender your weapon to me NOW!
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Ouch~! My bad mistake. It is a 28 mag catch. Tried a drum on it and it does lock into place.
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Though I am GREEN with envy for missing it I hope the weather is good. One thing I will NOT miss is that long drive (well--it seems damn long the older ya get:)
John Thedford
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Yes the weapon has patent numbers. It had Bridgeport address. As best I can tell from pics it was never stamped US or A1. Looks to be a nice weapon.
No I won't make the creek this time around. Maybe in the fall depending upon work schedule and the big boss' attitude:)
Email me and I will try and forward a couple pics of the weapon.
John
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I just purchased 3 1928 Thompsons. One of these weapons is S/N S-101xxx. It does not have the US or A1 designation nor have these been removed from what I can tell by the pictures (weapon is inbound). It has the Conn address. It has the finned barrel, cutts, lyman rear sight, and I am guessing the Du-Lite finish. I am aware there are several variations of these weaponsl. Does anyone have any idea what the value of a weapon like this might be relative to a WWII weapon? The pictures of the weapon make it appear to be excellent and the seller has assured me the finish is "original" FWIW. I am thinking this might be a nice keeper. Of course, I said the same thing about two 1921 Colts that are now on the market:)
Thanks, John
John Thedford
NFA SALES
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Slow down and take your time before you jump into anything. Check references and return policies. We have seen recent horror stories that I feel are not only VERY bad representations of several dealers but I feel also very bad for the hobby and industry as well. There are some out there to be had--and maybe the right one will fall into your lap.
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Thanks to everyone for their posts. Bill D--I thought about the definition of market value. I intended to post it this morning but you did so first. Some of the statements made by AF in this thread were amusing to me. I wished he had taken me up on my offer for the name of the warehouse where I buy all these guns substantially below wholesale:) BTW Bill--how did the vidoe/pics come out from KC. Sure was a good time there. Bought a genuine for real no kidding absolutely original C&R Lanchester while I was there along with a fake,copyright infringing, replica fraudulent WH Thompson. When it comes in I will have enough respect for my Colt not to store them in the same safe:) It has been fun gentlemen--and I shall stick around! John
Then everyone would have emailed or called for his price....
1928 W H Thompson With AOC Prefix In S/n
in Thompson Submachine Gun Message Board
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Just received a 1928 Thompson marked West Hurley, NY. I have handled quite a few of these over the years. This is the first one I have ever seen that had an AOC prefix to the serial number. These might be discussed in the Thompson books which I have not had a chance to reference yet. So....I came to the place where all the Thompson experts are! Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
John Thedford
NFA Sales