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Phil Askew is in Las Vegas currently, and visited the Mob Museum. Turns out that the Berrien County, Michigan Sheriff's Office has loaned them Colt Thompson #2347 for display. For those who may not know, Colt #2347 is the primary weapon proven by firearm forensic pioneer Calvin Goddard to have been used in the St. Valentine's day Massacre in 1929. A 50-round drum was fired through it by Al Capone's thugs to kill 7 people in a garage in Chicago. The late Lt. Mike Kline of Berrien County displayed these guns several times, many of them with The American Thompson Association, and I was lucky to know Mike, and to have close personal access to #2347 and #7580. I once fired 50 rounds through #2347. Eeriest time I ever shot a firearm. It has little file marks along the trigger guard indicating number of kills. If I recall correctly, Goddard also proved this Thompson to have been used in an earlier murder, maybe 1926. Anyway, not sure how long #2347 will be on display, but Phil was nice enough to send me the photos. Thanks, Phil! David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

Remembrance Week This year, my wife and myself, together with with my friend and his wife, spent a memorable, although often poignant week of remembrance, visiting related sites both in England and France. We started with a visit to Fort Nelson to see the ‘For Your Tomorrow’, display created by Standing with Giants. A moving tribute of the 1,475 servicemen under British Command who gave their lives on D-Day. https://lnkd.in/eCbw3fJq We had an early start the following day, travelling to Caen by Ferry, and after a pleasant night in Tours, we traveled down to St. Leger. Here our old friend and his girlfriend, made us and his other guests very welcome. On the 11th we attended the remembrance ceremony at the memorial in St Leger, where the mayor and the residents made us very welcome. The following day we traveled to Bayeux and prior to checking into our hotel for the night, we visited the World War Two Bayeux British and Commonwealth war cemetery, where there are over 4500 servicemen buried. The following day we traveled to La Cambe German war cemetery, the largest 2nd World War German war cemetery in Normandy, where the remains of over 21,000 German servicemen are buried. We then traveled to Colleville-sur-Mer, and the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial. This overlooks Omaha beach and honors over 9,000 American troops some of whom died on that beach in 1944. Finally, before going to Caen to catch the Portsmouth Ferry, we visited Pegasus Bridge. Last week was very significant to us and on occasions very poignant, thank you to everyone who made it all possible. Lest We Forget

Not everyone who frequents this board is an "expert", many are just looking for info. It's happened here again that a guy thinks that his M1903 Springfield swivel is a Thompson swivel and has modified the cutout in the stock (or forend) to be able to fit the swivel. The two swivels look exactly alike and the M1903 swivel is only .030" longer than the Thompson swivel, but that is enough where you can't jam it into the cutout. Once you know what to look for, the next time you are digging thru a box of parts at a gun show, you will be able to tell at a glance Thompson vs. M1903. Here are the swivels - M1903 Springfield on the right - Here is the side view - The Thompson is on the right. It is a little thicker but the thing to look for is the slight angle on the end of the M1903 vs, the square end on the Thompson OK, now YOU are an expert! Bob

Nah, it's a large format negative still, taken from a speed graphic camera by Lou Lowery, a USMC photographer. There were more than a handful of civilian and military photographers on the island by then. He is best known for a nice series of shots of the first US flag to go up on Suribachi. Let's put it this way, I know war correspondent stuff like you all here know Thompsons...

From the late Mike Free's former collection. 30-06 and .30 carbine calibers and Colt TSMG serial number 221

Aaron is always good, you were lucky to cast him. I see that Lochlyn Munroe is in there too. I just did a couple of scenes with him last week in a film shot here in Louisiana, what are the odds. The next time you are casting a film, drop me a line, I can bring my own Thompson!

I sent the gun to Dan Block who told me about different types of bolts in these 22 weapons. Mine had only a flat face that was supposed to detonate the rimfire round by simply slamming against it. Wrong !!! I sent him the gun, he welded a firing pin onto the face of the bolt and now it runs 100% He also constructed a 22 magazine inside a 45acp magazine so it looks like a real tommy gun now!!

Nothing sells an expensive product like covering the photos with "watermarks"....Phil

Here are a few weapons in the airborne museum in Normandy. Pictures of some foxholes in Bois Jacques, which were used by Easy Company, 506 PIR, 101st Airborne. Everyone knows whose cemetery marker this belongs to.

I picked up 3 of these years ago from a good friend who owned a liquor store in Houston, Texas. Kept one Vodka and one Tequila. Gave Gordon the other Vodka. Not too many around as they were not popular with the liquor stores. Very fragile and many were destroyed in shipment. The Vodka came from Poland. The Tequila from Mexico. Never have seen the whiskey variety. All varieties were imported for Alphonse Capone Enterprises, Chicago, IL.

Found on Facebook just now:

How about a thanksgiving video!

I do not have a Stevens trench gun. But I do have a M1903A3. Now, this is not an exhaustive study, but I took a look and the Thompson and M1903A3 stamped swivels are quite different. Once again, the M1903A3 is 0.030" longer, but I found one that was only 0.015" longer which did fit into the cutout for the Thompson. Thompson on the right. It has a little slot where the 03A3 is smooth. Also on the underside the 03A3has a wider slot. This is because the 03A3 is a "sandwich" made from two pieces whereas the Thompson is one piece - 03A3 on the left. There is so much to learn... Bob

Just got this from a friend. Have not seen it before. I think the picture speaks for itself. If you zoom it, It looks like something is wrapped around the trigger frame? Also, judging by the bright spots in the magazine witness holes, it’s loaded. Bob

If you're having trouble providing your loved ones with a Christmas list, a great reference book by Roger Herbst (TSMG28), above, would be an excellent choice. Availalable directly from Roger (contact via PM) for a signed copy - or on Amazon.com. This book will answer all your drum and magazine questions. Highly recommended!

The top one is a Catco Sterling (built on Sten Mk II tube) and the one underneath is a Sterling Mk. 5 (DLO Sten tube, SRT suppressor,gun built by John Andrewski). I have a good pile of 34 round Sterling magazines, 26 I believe with some NIW and also three of the rare 45 round magazines (made by the Chilean national armory?). They are both so much fun to shoot!

Here is the big picture Bob

Yes, I do have Gordon's 6th and final edition 2 volume set. I think we have beat this subject to death. You are welcome to believe what you want. While NO 15025 may have been prepared as part of the Swedish contract, it did not ship to Sweden. One reason I spent so much time developing the Swedish Colt's story was to see if I could find any 15,000 numbered Colt's in the Swedish 500 gun order. Unfortunately, no serial number lists were uncovered but it was still a very good story that has paid dividends in other areas of research. I have not found an owner of a Colt Thompson that would allow the removal of the compensator just to check for the threads or a second pin grove. If you know someone that will allow this, please pass this information along to me. If I do another story on a Colt Thompson with a "H" marked barrel, I will certainly identify the maker. All good stuff!!!

This website is a fantastic source of information. I actually do not know that much about Thompsons. I'm continuously amazed at how much information the members here know and share. Also, you guys are very sober-minded about digging up new facts, as opposed to pushing favorite opinions. It's not common to find a large group of collectors that have that skeptical, careful, information-seeking attitude. A lot of people out there resist new information if it contradicts their existing knowledge. Almost like it is an affront to their expertise. I rarely see that attitude here. Well, done guys. You are the gold standard.

And some good deals... Nice 20 rd Thompson mags $25.00 and 30 Rd for $26.00, lots of grease gun mags new in the wrap for $25.00.

You are welcome Frank 🙂

Hi Guys, It's a small movie, but a script that I was quite passionate about. If you get a chance take a look at the trailer, it comes to VOD on the 16th Dec. THIEVES HIGHWAY. The M1 has been discussed on this forum, it was a destroyed French dewat M1 (not M1A1.) Restored - to a degree. It has worked on a lot of movies now, possibly one of my favorite movie guns. LIMITED THEATRICAL RELEASE: December 12, 2025 VOD RELEASE: December 16, 2025 YOUTUBE TRAILER LINK: https://youtu.be/3cJSS8I7hz8 *I know its not a gun post per se, but it's Thomspon related and one your members here, so apologies for posting if it offends.

Took some time away from my day to day of HK gun building to do an R&D project…..working on a new method for making semi auto Swedish K guns as either SBR’s or 16” carbines. These are closed bolt guns with new tubes, new trunnions, barrels and lower ends. Using some of the original weldments from the original guns, but many new parts as well. It’s ready to test fire but that’ll be a few days as the wife is having surgery today so I can’t get out to test it this week. More will follow…..

P51 - it gets more time in the actual movie - I also feature the velvet lined case that I bought here in the opening scene. It ran well, we're using full power blanks which leave a lot of crud, I had a specialist for the days the thompson worked, as it does require a lot of cleaning when you shoot a lot of blanks, and we did. I am glad I budgeted for this as it was extremely humid where we were shooting in GA and that just makes things worse. It's not an action movie per se, I hope it brings a little light to the plight of the small rancher, but I dont know. Hope you guys enjoy it if you take the time to watch it. Dec 16 it comes to VOD. *Full auto 45 - message me if you'd like more info. I know most of you are awesome cats, and it's less about anonimity and more about not everyone scrolling on these pages being out for our best interests.

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Sounds like trash, carbon, brass, dirt and debris in the trigger frame parts and springs. Yes it could be worn parts, but before I started swapping things out I would take that lower grip off and hose it out with a good gun parts cleaner and blow it out with compressed air. Then oil it up good. Chances are that will clear things up. Only after that would I start looking at the finite small parts and springs if it exhibits the same problem.

Here is an advance heads up on the next years Show and Shoot. The 35th meeting should be memorable. If you ever planned to attend and didn't it is highly recommended. The Hills

How awesome is that! David

Motorcar, The photo at 4.55 is a still from the Johnny Depp movie, "Public Enemies". It is a WWII 1928 Model (check the non-pointed front sight) with the butt stock removed. There are other stills from the movie that show that the gun is a 1928 Model, the markings on the receiver give it away.

That episode that never aired when Andy cut down those bank robbers as they were exiting the bank. LOL.

The RA stamp would be Raritan Arsenal, (RIA) is Rock Island Arsenal.

Made for M1-M1A, was part of the M1A1 "upgrade" to lower cost and expedite production. Since the M1-M1A1 had no provision for a drum magazine, the raised area (bump) on the catch to secure the drum was not needed. Other transitional "upgrades" were... Riveted grip mount, "pin" type safety and selector levers, stamped sling swivels, bolt with fixed firing pin.

A few weeks ago I stumbled upon this video on Youtube when I was away training in Saudi Arabia. Jonathan Ferguson, keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries in the UK, presents the Aluminium Model of 1928 that is in Royal Armouries collection. m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-rH3Qyu79M

Its actually NO. 7849. It is also listed on gunbroker with a lot more pictures with better detail. Although there are a lot of pictures, pictures don't always show the best of everything and I would recommend if interested in this gun for purchase, actually go do an in person inspection before forming an opinion. Don't forget to take Tom's guide book with you! For that kind of money, an in person inspection is worth it.

No perfectly round...

odd-ball question. Is the hammer face damaged in a way to make the opening smaller and not letting you firing pin retract properly? Like I said just an odd-ball question.

Several reasons to confirm #15025 was shipped without any Cutts Compensator. The non factory boss threading on the original barrel, GH's correct description of #15025 including the "A" stamping and the Lyman sight in meters, and your own March 2011 SAR article on Swedish Manuals where you show their 1939-40 Colt TSMG order specified no Cutts. You also stated in the 2019 "Amateur's Guide" that #15025 "may have originally been prepared for sale to a foreign government or customer, perhaps initially part of the Swedish contract." Does this other 1928A Colt have the identical hideous muzzle boss threads? Doubtful. The vendor identity is public knowledge as GH states it was Ohio Ordnance Bob Landies who did the reactivation post 1970. Do you have a copy of GH's final two volume serial numbers? Your next TSMG publication can confirm the identity of the manufacturer of the "H" stamped barrels. G.E. Hudak Inland Arms Company Austin, Texas. See photo.

Tom, Yes, GH does specify the MODEL 1928 with a 1921A barrel. His deviation from the FOIA is that it sold in 1940 not 1939. What source was GH using that gave near identical FOIA info? What Gordon says in his 6th and final edition is NO 15025 "appears to be one of the Swedish order of 500 Colt Thompsons filled in January 1940." While Gordon may think it appears to be part of the Swedish order, NO 15025 never left the USA. While the FOIA does show the IRS Form 2 being filed on June 30, 1939, no copy of the Form 2 was provided. The FOIA information is also not specific as to when it was sold. Gordon is just guessing again. One reason I would like to find the current owner is to have them file another FOIA request. Perhaps additional information by a more experienced disclosure clerk will yield additional information. I know much more about what to ask for than I did in 2007. At some point after receiving #15025 the Government entity owner sent it back to the Maguire owned AOC for the Type II Cutts installation? Or some time between 1940 and 1972 the Cutts was installed? So who is responsible for the Cutts fitting to the original Colt 1921A barrel before or after #15025 was dewatted. We have no reason to believe NO 15025 was not originally sold by AOC with a Type 2 Compensator. We do know from the FOIA documentation NO 15025 was dewatted "w/Fluted BBL and Compensator." Without further research, I can think of another Overstamp with the letter A mark that was shipped by AOC with a compensator. Arizona Class Three dealer Tom Stewart provided you with the photos of #15025 for your 2008 SAR article and that you also used in your "Amateur's Guide", yes? He stated he was able to get the original factory barrel, then fitted with the Type II Cutts, from the seller. Did he tell you why he, or the seller, removed the Type II Cutts to show the mangled muzzle boss threading for the pic to be included in your article. No. There isn't a complete photo of the original barrel in the publications as only the muzzle with Type II is depicted. Whomever removed the barrel from the receiver replaced it with the repro "H" barrel and West Hurley Cutts Compensator? Did Numrich rewat #15025 with the "H" barrel and his Cutts? No, not Numrich Arms. While I am not going to mention names, I believe the vendor that rewatted NO 15025 should have known the "H" marked barrel was not original Colt's. Unfortunately, all the retro work done on #15025 precludes determining how the threads differ on a 1921A barrel and a 1932 barrel when a Type II Cutts was installed by AOC/Fenn. Retro work? Believe what you want. Back to Square 1... M17ap - Years after my SAR story on NO 15025 was published, I had a reader tell me my suspicions about the "H" marked barrel were correct. He told me the same information you cited in your post. He said Charles Hudak knew his barrels were almost identical to the Colt era barrels so he felt an obligation to mark the barrels. The vendor that did the rewat stated on the repair invoice the barrel was original Colt and charged $1500 just for the barrel. The then owner was not very happy with the work.

On 4/8/2021 at 10:33 PM, M17ap said You mentioned Hudak back in 2021. Now you solved the mystery of the origin of the "H" marked barrel. Outsanding!

H marked barrels these are top quality barrels made by Charles Hudak. He was a chemical engineer who did class 3 as a hobby. He was an excellent machinist and a real gentleman. He was a dealer back in 70’ s 80’s and early 90’s and made several other smg replacement barrels in addition to selling guns and parts. He was from Maryland and back in the 70’s he would drive to DC and walk his class 3 transfers through ATF in a couple of hours. Also made some BMG side plates. He later moved to Texas and sadly was killed in a car crash around 1992. His Thompson barrels were Colt quality I know I bought one as a spare back then.

Hello Doug, Great post/response...thank you for the detailed rundown and advice! I can totally relate to the comparisons to "real" Investments like Index Funds. I have a good deal invested in those, and similar, assets and their performance over the years is a big part of the reason I have the disposable income to even consider buying a $30K - $50K price-range "toy". My primary finance guy has known me for decades, so he understands and appreciates my collection. He even went so far as to say he was "excited" for me to buy the Tommy gun (I'm calling it my retirement gift to myself). Like your COP derringer and the Claridge pistols, the vast majority of my military firearms just sit in the gun safes, with a very low probability that I will ever shoot them. I generally go after one really solid example of each model gun I want, and will pay a premium for things like a Luger with both mags numbered to the gun, capture/bring-back papers, the "right" accessories, definitive/most desirable manufacturers (i.e., Winchester for my M-1 Garand and M-1 carbine), and condition. While I don't think I can resist the temptation to shoot the Thompson when I first get it, I want an example a notch or two above what I'd consider a true "shooter" example. I have been watching a few on GunBroker, and do regular searches see what's out there and what prices are doing and am in no hurry. I'm sure when I find "the one", I'll know it - my thanks to you and everyone else who has weighed in with their thoughts. Best, Skip

I have posted this on several forums for maximum exposure. The most common failure on Model 50-55 Reising submachine guns is broken firing pins. There are a lot of smart and skilled individuals in the class III community. The community needs one of these individuals to design and manufacture a Reising SMG firing pin that will last for at least a few thousand rounds. Original steel firing pins are impossible to find; the only new manufacture pins available are those made of titanium. I cannot get one to last more than 500 rounds before the tip breaks off. There have been some semi-successful advancements, like the inertia modification described in the link below. In my experience, the inertia modification works best with original steel firing pins, the titanium pins not so much. The inertia firing pin thread (unfortunately, the photos are gone) https://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8854-paulfs-pictorial-guide-to-how-i-made-my-reising-run-great/ There is another individual on machinegunboards.com who was doing some experimenting I have pasted a link to his thread. On his last post, he had not yet been successful. https://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29557-new-to-me-reising-new-to-me-firing-pins/

Frank, I'm 99% certain that Cort's design is dimensionally as good as it can get. He has addressed all the problems with the initial design and the Keystone rework. All that remains is to sort out the correct alloy and the heat treating but that can be a trip down the rabbit hole. Fatigue proof is basically 1144 which is strong, readily machinable and easily heat treated but it doesn't contain any nickel or molybdenum both of which improve impact resistance. I'm guessing that his planned reduced hardness trial of S7 which is specifically designed for impact resistance or possibly 4140 or 4340 both of which are very good alloy steels is going to be the final answer. The devil is going to be balancing impact resistance vs. brittleness

If you go to Vegas this is a must see. There is a Speakeasy downstairs thats really koool !

Number 4 remade into number 2, i did the work on it.

It does...we bought it from a friend who was a Class III dealer here in Houston at the time, and he didn't even charge me for the transfer - if memory serves, it was less than $1,000.00 all-in. I sold it for a nice profit, thinking I would just get another one. Then the laws changed and prices for anything transferrable shot up almost overnight

Joplin PD posted this on Facebook. Interesting, but I doubt they find anything of value.

mine is a russian ppsh-41, i got it from a kid in high school, around 1962, i trade him a reweld m-1 grand straight across for it, his dad brought it back from korea, we did the swap in the school parking lot ! then i took school bus home, i papered it in 1968,i still have it, myy oldest kiid will get it when i croak, im 79 now, just sayn

I have a Winchester m1918 with the early buffer. I picked up a ROT Korean era lower (with formed mag guides) to shoot in the Winchester to reduce the wear on the all original Winchester lower. What I found was the gun would function full auto only in semi mode with the ROT lower - and since my main range is semi only that was a no go. In inspecting the parts movement it feels like the rear of the A2 sear (which is considerably longer than the original Winchester sear in order to be actuated by the A2 buffer head) is either binding on the early buffer head, or the rear of the receiver. This is preventing the sear from dropping enough to trip the sear reset in semi mode. I spoke George (Junkyardslug) from "wwiibarman.com" who educated me that part of the A2 modernization was to expand the area of the rear of the receiver to create a step down to allow the A2 sear additional movement. Here is a photo showing an original and A2 cut rear section that George provided to show the difference: George suggested that simply removing the sear release stop lever may work to allow enough movement to not bind the sear. I tried that and found no difference. I picked up a few extra sears and cut one of them short by removing the ears just behind the area where the "sear and stop lever spring" engages the rear of the sear. This modified sear (minus the sear release stop lever) works perfectly now in semi and full settings with the original buffer. I suspect those with A2 BARs could get semi fire in slow mode using this modification. Here are some photos. Many of the online manuals show the disassembly and re-assembly procedure for the lower. For this procedure I found the depicted procedure for disassembly is not necessary. The counter recoil spring is the challenge on assembly, but using a punch on the opposite side of the pin for leverage makes the job easier. These are my observations and steps, be warned I am an amateur and new to the BAR - not an experienced gunsmith. Perform at your own risk. 1) Using a brass or steel punch, punch out the sear pin. On one of my lowers, this could almost be done with lateral force alone. On the other (ROT) the parts fit tighter (presumably due to a stronger counter recoil spring) so a few hammer taps were needed. The sear spring (leaf type) may remain in place when punching out the sear pin. With the pin driven out, remove the sear and sear release stop lever. Showing sear spring removed and installed - this is not necessary to remove but will easily slide to the rear with the sear removed. Lift up the center leaf, hold up with a small screw driver, and slide the assembly off the frame. Set the sear release stop lever aside, it will not be re-installed. Modify a A2 sear by removing the rear ears (that engage the A2 buffer head). I made my cut just behind the point where the ears stick out from the main body, so the rear of the sear is still supported by the sear and stop lever spring. I used some Birchwood Casey blue to prevent rust on the cut portion of the modified sear: When installing the modified sear, do not include the sear release stop lever. Use a steel punch to line up the sear carrier and manipulate the punch rearward to slide the sear carrier forward to align the holes. Partially insert the sear pin. Then insert the sear, and punch the sear pin in place. If removed, replace the sear spring by placing over the sear and sliding towards the magazine catch. If the sear spring remains in place, be sure the two outer leaves of the sear spring ride over the top of the forward ears of the sear when sliding the sear in place prior to pin install, as in this photo (unmodified A2 sear): Here is a comparison of the early Winchester lower, a modernized lower with the modified sear, and an unmodified ROT A2 lower: If anyone tries this with a A2 buffer I would be very interested to learn if it reliably works in semi when set to slow mode. I believe it will work based on my understanding of the A2 buffer head in relationship to the A2 sear/sear release stop lever. It is also possible that simply removing the sear release stop lever with an unmodified A2 sear would also produce semi in slow fire mode. I am not sure if the cut down in the rear of the receive as shown by George is necessary for the A2 buffer to work in an early receiver for slow fire mode (on early receivers). I hope to experiment with that in the future and will report my findings here. All the best, Nate in MN

These materials are protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws. Copyright 2008, 2009, 2010 & 2011 © David Albert 11/7/08: This is a work in progress. It will take a good while to document as many box magazine and drum magazine variations as are known to exist, so it will appear very incomplete until more content is gathered. If you would like to contribute content, please contact David Albert at dalbert@sturmgewehr.com, and I will consider your photos and descriptions for inclusion. 11/24/08: Added L-drum and C-drum verbiage, and First Pattern WPS L-drum (While watching Monday Night Football!) 11/27/08: Added Kahr L and C-drums, and Bridgeport address L-drum (While watching Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade) 11/28/08: Added previously undocumented New York address L-drum with US M1928A1 markings, and XXX magazine verbiage 11/29/08: Added Colt C-drum, 1st and 3rd Models New York Address L-drum, also section headers for Shot Magazines, and Other Drums, added XX Magazine content 11/30/08: Added 2 more XX magazine, and 2 more XXX magazine examples 12/7/08: Added 2nd Pattern WPS L-drum, and reduced size of WPS 1st Model images to make presentation more consistent, added Crosby & WPS XX magazines, and also Bridgeport L-drum with Model 1921 & 1928 Winding instructions 12/14/08: Added Shot Magazines 12/25/08: Added Numrich C-Drum text and photos that were submitted by Mike Hammer (Thanks, Mike!) Also added blank military XX magazine picture, and updated patent date and military XX magazine pictures 1/1/09: Added West Hurley "For Export Only" L-Drum 1/25/09: Added Reproduction (Blank) L-Drum 3/16/09: Added Reproduction "Crosby" Numrich Sale Drum with "Thompson" milled off for trademark infringement reasons 4/19/09: Added 39-round West Hurley Drum 10/17/09: Added WWII Seymour L-Drum 11/1/09: Added significant box magazine content submitted by Roger Herbst 2/15/10: Added West Hurley .22 Conversion unit w/ magazine 2/26/11: Corrected WWII United Specialties Co. Bridgeport address L-Drum (was incorrectly listed as Universal Stamping Company) 9/22/12: Added British XX Magazine Storage Boxes Thompson Box Magazines The following section is submitted by Roger Herbst (TSMG28), who has meticulously scrutinized and documented Thompson box magazines. His efforts here are appreciated and applauded! XX Magazine (20 Rounds) Types and Variations: Colt Era XX Blank http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Colt%20Era%20XX%20Blank_Web.JPG Colt Era XX Patent Date http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Colt%20Era%20XX%20Patent%20Date_Web.JPG Maguire Era XX Patent Date 24-24 http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Maguire%20Era%20XX%20Patent%20Date%2024-24_Web.JPG Maguire Era XX Patent Date 20-24 http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Maguire%20Era%20XX%20Patent%20Date%2020-24_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance XX First Version (MSCO) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20XX%20First%20Version%20MSCO_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance XX Second Version Right-facing (USCO) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20XX%20Second%20Version%20Right-facing%20USCO_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance XX Second Version Left-facing (USCO) (Note reverse orientation of magazine in photo.) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20XX%20Second%20Version%20Left-facing%20USCO_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance XX Third Version (circle) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20XX%20Third%20Version%20circle_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance XX Fourth Version - This is the A-O blank magazine, and a picture of one will be posted as soon as possible. A description of this blank magazine, in comparison to others, may be found further down in this post. Auto-Ordnance XX Fifth Version (U) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20XX%20Fifth%20Version%20U_Web.JPG Sparks-Withington XX First Version (Blank) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Sparks-Withington%20XX%20First%20Version%20Blank_Web.JPG Sparks-Withington XX Second Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Sparks-Withington%20XX%20Second%20Version_Web.JPG Sparks-Withington XX Third Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Sparks-Withington%20XX%20Third%20Version_Web.JPG Crosby XX http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Crosby%20XX_Web.JPG Seymour XX http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Seymour%20XX_Web.JPG Worcester Pressed Steel XX Small Font http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Worcester%20Pressed%20Steel%20XX%20Small%20Font_Web.JPG Worcester Pressed Steel XX Large Font http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Worcester%20Pressed%20Steel%20XX%20Large%20Font_Web.JPG Worcester Pressed Steel XX Font Comparison http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Worcester%20Pressed%20Steel%20XX%20Font%20Comparison_Web.JPG XXX MAGAZINES Auto-Ordnance XXX First Version (USCO) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20XXX%20First%20Version%20USCO_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance XXX Second Version Left-facing (U) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20XXX%20Second%20Version%20Left-facing%20U_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance XXX Second Version Right-facing - The face markings are identical to the left-facing version, but are right-facing instead. Both have the outlined U on the backstrap. A picture will be posted ASAP. Sparks-Withington XXX http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Sparks-Withington%20XXX_Web.JPG Crosby XXX First Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Crosby%20XXX%20First%20Version_Web.JPG Crosby XXX Second Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Crosby%20XXX%20Second%20Version_Web.JPG Crosby XXX Third Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Crosby%20XXX%20Third%20Version_Web.JPG There are four different versions of Seymour Products XXX magazines. With the exception of the second version, which is absent of punctuation marks, the collector should ignore the presence or absence of punctuation to determine versions. The first, third and fourth versions can be found with any or all of their punctuation missing, most likely due to these very small parts of the die wearing or breaking. An example of this is shown in the following pictures of two different First Version magazines. Both have the comma on the second line, but one has the periods at the end of both lines and the other does not. This is not a different version, just worn dies. Seymour XXX First Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Seymour%20XXX%20First%20Version_Web.JPG Seymour XXX First Version No Periods http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Seymour%20XXX%20First%20Version%20No%20Periods_Web.JPG Seymour XXX Second Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Seymour%20XXX%20Second%20Version_Web.JPG Seymour XXX Third Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Seymour%20XXX%20Third%20Version_Web.JPG Seymour XXX Fourth Version http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Seymour%20XXX%20Fourth%20Version_Web.JPG BLANK XX MAGAZINES There are three different blank XX magazines that have been identified. The Sparks-Withington is the easiest of the three to recognize because the observation holes are placed differently from the other two. However, since many magazines have been disassembled and reassembled in their lives, usually in large batches where the components are unlikely to get matched up again, great care needs to be taken in declaring a particular blank magazine as all original. The following pictures show unique characteristics of the three blank magazines. Since an A-O Blank magazine was not available to be photographed, here is a description of the unique characteristics of that magazine. First, the radius of the front of the feed lips of the A-O Blank is much more gradual than the sharper radius of the Colt Blank. The A-O radius is the same as versions three and five of the A-O XX magazines. Second, the tool marks on the inside of the backstrap and its shoulders are the same as those on A-O version five. The Colt Blank tool marks are not the same, but you may need both in front of you to make the identification easier. All A-O followers do not have a stress relief hole punched just above the follower tab, as shown in the example below. The other manufacturers punched a hole in various locations just above the follower tab as can be seen in the Colt Era and Sparks-Withington examples below. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Colt%20Era%20XX%20Blank%20-%20Hole%20Spacing_Web.JPG Colt Era XX Follower http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Colt%20Era%20XX%20Follower_Web.JPG Colt Era XX Follower - Tool Mark Inside http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Colt%20Era%20XX%20Follower%20-%20Tool%20Mark%20Inside_Web.JPG Sparks-Withington XX Blank - Hole Spacing http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Sparks-Withington%20XX%20Blank%20-%20Hole%20Spacing_Web.JPG Sparks-Withington XX Follower http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Sparks-Withington%20XX%20Follower_Web.JPG Sparks-Withington XX Follower Closeup http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Sparks-Withington%20XX%20Follower%20Closeup_Web.JPG Auto-Ordnance Follower http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Auto-Ordnance%20Follower_Web.JPG UNIQUE MAGAZINE FEATURES There are three kinds of floorplates found on Thompson magazines. The flat, plain floorplate is standard for all but one of the XX magazines and two of the XXX magazines. The beveled floorplate is found only on Sparks-Withington magazines, all versions. It was apparently designed by Sparks-Withington to make it easier to insert the floorplate into the magazine body. The dimpled floorplate is unique to Seymour XXX magazines. It has been observed on both third and fourth versions of magazines in the original wrap, but it is unknown exactly when it was introduced or whether its use alternated through the versions. So far all fourth version magazines in the wrap have been observed with the dimpled floorplate. If anyone in the Thompson collecting community has second or first version Seymours still in the wrap with the dimpled floorplate, please contact TSMG28 on this board. Plain Floorplate http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Plain%20Floorplate_Web.JPG Beveled Floorplate http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Beveled%20Floorplate_Web.JPG Dimpled Floorplate http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Dimpled%20Floorplate_Web.JPG The Israelis inherited a number of Thompson magazines from the British, mostly the 20-round XX version. They stamped two marks on each, though the depth and location of the stamps varies considerably. Most of these magazines have also been green parkerized, but examples can be found that are still blued. Some magazines also have the witness holes soldered as modified by Australians/British armorers in the desert of North Africa during WWII. The mark on the right side is the tradition "Tza'dik" sign. That's the first letter of the word "Tsa'va" which means Army. This sign (in various forms) is supposed to appear on anything owned by the Israeli military. The mark on the left side is believed to be the letter "Chet" which is the first letter of the word "Chi'mush", which stands for armament. That's the division that handles all the purchases, processes and logistics behind weaponry. Israeli Military Stamps http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Israeli%20Military%20Stamps_Web.JPG The "V for Victory" sign was added to some XXX magazines during 1943 as an encouragement at a time when the war effort was not going well for the U.S. This V can be found on both Crosby and Seymour XXX magazines. V Stamp on XXX http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/V%20Stamp%20on%20XXX_Web.JPG The first batch of Crosby XXX magazines had a little problem when they tried to use them in the new M1 Thompson. The front of the feed lips stuck out too far from the magazine body and created an interference that caused feed problems in the M1 model. The Augusta Arsenal came up with a modification that allowed these magazines to be used, essentially grinding 0.060" from the front of the feed lips. That modification can be found on the picture below. Crosby XXX Grind Modification http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/Crosby%20XXX%20Grind%20Modification_Web.JPG THE OTHER GUYS... BSA These magazines were made for the European style (rifle-like) Thompson submachine guns manufactured by Birmingham Small Arms, Ltd., first in 1926 and later in 1929. These magazines exist in four different calibers: 7.63mm MAUSER, 30 MAUSER (identical to the 7.63mm, but the English designation of the round), 9mm PARABELLUM and 9mm BERGMANN. This is an example of the 30 MAUSER. Not all versions have the BSA stacked rifles symbol. BSA Magazine - 30 MAUSER http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/BSA%20Magazine%20-%2030%20MAUSER_Web.JPG United Defense Supply Corporation These magazines were not made for the Thompson, but rather for the United Defense Model 42 submachine gun. However, these mags were made by The Seymour Products Company, one of the main manufacturers of the Thompson magazines. They also can be used in a Thompson that has been modified to fire 9mm rounds like 9mm Parabellum. Other than their smaller size, they are almost identical to the Thompson XX magazines. UDM42 Magazine http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/UDM42%20Magazine_Web.JPG Many thanks to Roger Herbst (TSMG28) for the preceding section! The following section is the original Thompson XX and XXX magazine content of this pinned post, with some content not included above. This older magazine section will be removed once the necessary images are formatted and added to Roger's section above. A variety of XX Magazines: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/PatentDates_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WWIIMags_Web.JPG Above Images David Albert and Mike Sig Collections http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/CrosbyWPS_Web.JPG Ron & Kelly Brock Collection http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/BlankMil1Web.JPG Arch Stanton Collection Sorry about the condition of some of the examples above, such as the rusty Bridgeport magazine with the reverse orientation markings. I decided to include it, though, since it's the only one I have available. XX Magazines Featuring Soldered Witness Holes: Do your magazines have solder in the witness holes that run along the side of the magazine? If they do, they were more than likely involved in the British North Africa campaign during WWII. British armorers filled the holes with solder to prevent sand from penetrating into the magazines. Such XX magazines are fairly common. Many magazines can also be found with evidence of previous soldering, but the solder was removed. My recommendation is to leave the solder in place, as it is a part of the magazine's historical past. Here are some examples of solder filled magazines: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/SolderedMags.JPG XXX Magazine (30 Rounds) Types and Variations: XXX magazines were adopted after tests in late 1941, and were intended to replace the 50-round "L" drum, which was difficult to reload on the fly, and cumbersome to carry. The XXX magazine also became the favored magazine for the wartime Models M1 and M1A1 Thompson. At least 3 different manufacturers produced the XXX magazine during WWII. Four variations of markings on Seymour XXX magazines: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Seymour_Mags.jpg Image courtesy Deerslayer Three variations of markings on Crosby XXX magazines: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/U.S.%20Mags.jpg Image courtesy Deerslayer Two Bridgeport XXX magazine examples: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/XXXMags_Web.JPG David Albert Collection XVIII Shot Magazines (18 Rounds) .45 ACP Shotshells were manufactured for use in Thompsons, and Auto-Ordnance marketed them as a more humane method of riot control. Three different shot magazines are known to exist, with one being a prototype, handmade magazine of single piece body construction. The prototype magazine is not marked in any way, and could have been made for either shotshell, or .45 Remington-Thompson cartridge use. (In the Model of 1923 Thompson Submachine Gun) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/ShotMagsVert_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/ShotMagsHoriz_Web2.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/ShotMagsBackstrap_Web2.JPG Above Images Mike Sig Collection, Photos by David Albert Auto-Ordnance West Hurley .22 Conversion Unit w/Magazine: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WH_22_Unit_Web.JPG Above Image courtesy wwiifirearms Collection Thompson Drum Magazines L Drum (50 Rounds) Types and Variations: Thompson "L" drums are a historical study within themselves. Many manufacturers and variations exist, made from the 1920's to the present, with a wide variety, particularly during the WWII era. New York Address, 1st Model L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/1stmodel1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/1stmodel4_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/1stmodel2_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/1stmodel3_Web.JPG This drum features a nickeled rotor. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/1stmodel5_Web.JPG Above Images: GIJive Collection New York Address, 3rd Model L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/3rdmodel1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/3rdmodel4_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/3rdmodel2_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/3rdmodel3_Web.JPG This drum features a nickeled rotor. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/3rdmodel5_Web.JPG Above Images: GIJive Collection New York Address, "U.S. Model of 1928 A1" Marked L-Drum: This drum variation has just recently been documented. It features the following stamping in between the rivets on the front faceplate: "ALSO FOR U.S. MODEL OF 1928 A1 WIND TO 9 CLICKS" http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/US1928A1-Front.JPG Note that this drum is missing its retention spring. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/US1928A1-Back.JPG This drum was probably manufactured or updated with the new stamping, and refinished by Worcester Press Stamping Company during the 1936-39 time frame. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/US1928A1-Markings.JPG The drum features a nickeled rotor. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/US1928A1-Rotor.JPG Above Images: Private Collection, Photos by David Albert Pre-War, First Pattern Worcester Pressed Steel (WPS) L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Thompson_Hardware/NY-L-1_Web.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Thompson_Hardware/NY-L-2_Web.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Thompson_Hardware/NY-L-5_Web.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Thompson_Hardware/NY-L-4_Web.jpg Most examples of this type of drum have blued rotors, but some have also been encountered with nickeled rotors. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Thompson_Hardware/NY-L-3_Web.jpg Above Images: David Albert Collection (Former) Pre-War, Second Pattern Worcester Pressed Steel (WPS) L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WPS2-1.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WPS2-2.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WPS2-5.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WPS2-4.jpg This type drum features a blued rotor. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WPS2-3.jpg Above Images Courtesy Snipershot1944 WWII Universal Metal Stamping Co., Bridgeport Address L-Drum with Model of 1921 and Model of 1928 Winding Instructions: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Bridgeport1921-1.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Bridgeport1921-2.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Bridgeport1921-3.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Bridgeport1921-4.JPG Above Images: Ron & Kelly Brock Collection WWII Seymour Products Co. L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/SEYRT1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/SEYRT2_Web.JPG WWII United Specialties Co., Bridgeport Address L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/SeymourL-1.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/SeymourL-2.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/SeymourL-3.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/SeymourL-4.JPG Above Images: David Albert Collection Reproduction "Crosby" L Drum: (This is one of the first batch of 200 new L drums imported from China in 2006.) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Thompson_Hardware/ReproCrosbyMarking1.JPG David Albert Collection Original packaging for reproduction "Crosby" L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/Thompson_Hardware/ReproCrosby.JPG David Albert Collection Reproduction (Blank) L-Drum: (This is a drum from the second, current batch of new L drums imported from China. After some legal issues were raised about the use of the Thompson name on the first 200 drums as pictured above, the subsequently imported drums were not stamped with the previously seen Thompson and Crosby references on the drum. This drum is an example of the type of drum being currently sold by a company named Fortune Lot.) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/FortuneLot-1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/FortuneLot-2_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/FortuneLot-3_Web.JPG Ron & Kelly Brock Collection Reproduction "Crosby" L Drum with "Thompson" Removed: (These are Taiwanese reproductions that were apparently made based to the first specifications, but were altered due to trademark infringement on the name "Thompson," and had that name milled off of the face plate.) http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Numrich2009-1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Numrich2009-2_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Numrich2009-4.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Numrich2009-3_Web.JPG Above Images: David Albert Collection Auto-Ordnance (West Hurley) "For Export Only" L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WHDrumF_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WHDrumB_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WHDrumFC_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/WHDrumBC_Web.JPG Above Images: TAS1921AC Collection Auto-Ordnance (Kahr) L-Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrL-1.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrL-2.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrL-3.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrL-4.JPG Above Images: David Albert Collection C Drum (100 Rounds) Types and Variations: "C" Drums were manufactured in 3 generations, the first during the 1920's, which are popularly known as "Colt Era" drums. Such drums are very valuable today, with prices usually in the $5,000 to $7,000 range. Numrich Arms (Auto-Ordnance of West Hurley, NY) marketed a "C" drum during the 1980's that is known for normally inferior quality out of the box. Most Numrich "C" drums must be fine tuned by Merle Bitikofer ("The Drum Doctor") in order to function reliably. Kahr Arms (Auto-Ordnance) currently markets a "C" drum that has demonstrated fairly reliable results out of the box so far with Thompson Submachine Guns. Colt C-Drum: Original Colt production C-Drums were individually serial numbered on both sides, as demonstrated on the example drum below. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Cdrum1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Cdrum4_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Cdrum2_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Cdrum3_Web.JPG Above Images: GIJive Collection Auto-Ordnance (Numrich) C-Drum: These drums were produced by Numrich in 1985 and were the first C-Drums produced in many decades since the Original Colt C-Drums. The Numrich C-Drums are sturdily built, but unfortunately very few of them work properly right out of the box. Spring strength was the primary problem. Other problems existed with the inner rails, which were somewhat improved with later serial numbered drums off the production line. Many of these drums have already had their springs replaced, and innards tuned by Merle Bitkofer and now work beautifully. If you find one of these drums and are interested in purchasing, contact Merle with the serial number, as he keeps records on these drums, and he can probably tell you if it's been overhauled and tuned or not. (Merle's contact info can be found on the FAQ page) Characteristics of these drums are: Serial numbered, (serial numbers less than 1000 have a zero prefix, i.e. 0186), blued rotor, ribs on the faceplate. (Just like WWII drums) They have winding instructions and a Thompson bullet logo on the drum face at the six o' clock position. The stud holding the winding key to the body is solid. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/NumrichCDrum4_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/NumrichCDrum3_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/NumrichCDrum1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/NumrichCDrum2_Web.JPG Above Text and Images: Mike Hammer Collection Auto-Ordnance (Kahr) C-Drum: This drum was manufactured by Kahr in 2007. Some Kahr drums are serial numbered on both sides, and it appears that dual numbering was discontinued soon after production began, as with the example below, which is only numbered on one side. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrC-1.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrC-2.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrC-3.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/KahrC-4.JPG Above Images: David Albert Collection Other Drums (10 & 39 Rounds): Auto-Ordnance (Numrich) 39- Round Drum: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/39_front.jpg full auto 45 Collection http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/39Round-1.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/39Round-2.jpg http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/39Round-3.jpg Above Images: Z3BigDaddy Collection Miscellaneous Related Items British XX Magazine Storage Boxes: These storage boxes have either a brown color, or olive drab color, and slightly different steciling. Both color versions are seen below. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/BritXXMagBoxes-1_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/BritXXMagBoxes-2_Web.JPG http://www.sturmgewehr.com/dalbert/MGBoards/Mags/BritXXMagBoxes-3_Web.JPG Above Images bmarvin Collection These materials are protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws. Copyright 2008, 2009, 2010 & 2011 © David Albert