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Were the riot barrels marked with the serial number like the trench guns or not?
I'm looking at one that seems correct but has no barrel serial number
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Finally found a decent example
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He was a wealth of knowledge and will be missed
RIP
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Nice score. One of the harder variants to find
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The 23 seemed like a good price, especially if you were looking to have a full set of Colts
The new in box Winchester 12 trench that sold for $35,000 seemed excessive
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Brian, I have a cutaway example in the collection. I probably can't add a lot of technical information as there isn't much out there. A google search will yield a 1953 PDF technical report on DTIC and that's the best detailed information I've found. Unfortunately, the photos included in the report are really bad from multiple reproductions.
If you would like to see some images, I'll dig it out and post a few.
Rick
I ended up buying it from Justin in California.
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Anyone happen to have one or anyone familiar with them?
I was offered one and know very little about them.
It has the T1019 fuse
Thanks
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https://www.centurionauctions.com/
Bunch of flare guns and some line throwing guns
Also a Thompson drum and some Reising mags
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I paid $8000 for my WW2 Ithaca about 5 years ago. I also have a copy of the shipping documents from Ithaca proving it's original.
Ithaca reached out to me to borrow it for a television show a few years ago but I declined . I believe I paid about the same for my WW1 Remington. That one does have a reproduction wooden heat shield
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891449072 on gun broker usgi 9mm kit
That is my old M3A1 kit I used in the MGN article. Note the barrel with the longer breech end through the barrel nut and the extra front plate with the tabs cut off.
The barrel was too far away from the cartridges in the magazine and would nose dive and miss the chamber, so I extended the barrel back so it was closer to the magazine. To keep the bolt from hitting the barrel I used the extra end plate. Worked reliably after that.
I bought that kit out of the Shotgun News back in the early '90s. It was listed with a DS M3A1 and the ad stated "will not separate" I offered the seller $500.00 just for the kit, and he sold it to me. I sold the kit a long time ago, it was one of the two M3A1 kits I ever saw, most were for the M3. I had a document that I found in the National Archives that a U.S. company made Sten mags for the M3 9mm kits. I have no idea where that document is now; I may have mentioned it in the article, I don't know.
I bought the kit from you Frank many years (or decades) ago. Sold it off after I sold all my grease guns
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This is the trench gun
The Remington 31 is rough, but it will serve the purpose of trying it out in the FBI case. Price was not that bad....relatively speaking
There was another riot in the auction I wanted, but as a novice (at best) I referred to Bruce's book and while the gun looked right it was way out of bounds in serial number range to be correct. It still went for a bunch of money however? Went after a an S prefix Ithaca 37, but someone wanted it pretty bad.
Any input would be very welcome!
You should've posted that you were bidding on these. I was the next highest bidder on the 520
I didn't really need another one but it seemed cheap. If I knew another member wanted it, I wouldn't have bid
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I know several people that have made hundreds of thousands of dollars more this year than in previous years, especially in the stock and real estate markets. I'd guess they are spending found money on a toy they always wanted
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Had a box of those years ago
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What am I missing here ?
Are these not shotguns ? SBS 's can still be registered and made . Register the receivers and bring them together when approved .
Chris
They are AOW's. You are not the maker just by stamping your name in them if they have matching serial numbers. That has been disallowed by the ATF.
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A while ago I bought several unregistered Handy Guns
I received the barrels first, which I sent to Wayne in Oregon to be rifled
After those were shipped the receivers were sent to me
The .410's have been rifled making them legal once again
Wayne doesn't the tooling to rifle a 28 gauge
Any leads ?
For now the receiver and the barrel are kept at two different locations
so I don't run afoul of the ATF
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Generally I receive my class 3 items from RIA and Morphy's within 30 days from the date on the approved form 4
Both aren't shy on their fees. My max bid tends to be 50-60% of what I feel the item is worth based on all the add ons
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My father in law worked on the development of the 231 when he was with Colt
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Markings on my 1200
Color of my 1200
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One of the Colts, #426, was sold for parts on Gunbroker back in 2012 and purchased by board member Brian "bmarvin."
I had forgotten all about that
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FYI I have been talking with Steve and invited him to the forum. His prices seem fair on the guns
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I actually reached out to John Stimson who is the High Standard firearm expert.
I sent him the link to the Gunbroker auction as well as teh one that pre98.com has
Here is his response.
Hello Brian,
I have very little research about High Standard riot guns. The only
research I have seen on them in print is Thomas Swearengen's book and
Bruce Canfield's book .
I do know enough to say that I can take issue with some comments in both
books. More in Swearengen's book because he says more. But I have not
tried to commit to paper those differences.
Unfortunately, the factory records a are not easy to use in the case of
their shotguns and since a lot of the early shotguns are not serialized
the data is not available in a serial number log.
I have found orders for police shotguns that were shipped with Service
Armament hand guards installed. I have found some that were shipped on
consignment to a few government facilities and I have found they were
returned and sold from the High Standard collection in 1980.
The two references you provided are ones I have seen before. One of the
accompanying stories talks about 1970's and a model that was
discontinued in late 1968.
I am skeptical about the two you referenced but I have not done
sufficient research to see if I can find say these are valid or bogus. -
What a fantastic grouping!
I have a 25 mm with Indiana NG hard case on display at our museum here in Florida. Policemilitarymuseum.org
I have never heard whether the 12 gage version was removed from the NFA registry requirements, nor the same thing on the pistol with plastic cylinder?
What is your take on that situation? I've wondered if anyone has ever asked the Technical Branch for a ruling, but didn't want to wake the sleeping giant...
How long have you been collecting Manville items?
Thanks for sharing.
Is this Bill? I sold you a Manville for the Florida museum many years ago. I've been collecting Manville items for close to 20 years. My understanding is the 12 gauge items cannot handle commercial shot shells without blowing apart so ATF doesn't consider them to be anything more than flare launchers
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I had no idea Handy Guns were ever stocked. . .
It wasn't a common option. I found one in .22 with the stock but it's not registered. I've asked the ATF to remove it from the NFA and classify it as C&R. We'll see. Stock is currently removed
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Wow! Nice stuff--how about a few of the stocked handguns?
Only have 4
Mauser, Lahti, Colt Woodsman with the NS stock and a Hi Power
Hopefully soon I can add the Handy Gun with the stock on it
Remington 10A riot
in U.S. Combat Shotguns Message Board
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