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Wow - quite the Handy Gun collection!
Any of them extra special?
That's just the 8". All told there's about 3 dozen.
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So I got a package delivered from Morphy for a couple Crescent Handy Guns I bought last year.
Forms were approved December 2nd 2019
I take it home and open it and pull out the two Handy Guns I just bought in October of 2019, one Essex and one H&R. Those forms won't be approved for another 6 months or so .
So I repackaged them and requested a return label.
John at Morphy still isn't sure how it happened
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I've bought and sold through both RIA and Morphy's and never had any mention of a 1099
It's up to the individual to calculate their gains (or losses)
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Morphy's is much more flexible on commission and reserves than RIA but RIA commands higher prices and has lower fees for the buyer.
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Myles Welsh is my point of contact on ATf transfer at Morphy
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Second batch. Same price $100 shipped for 8 CONUS SOLD PENDING FUNDS
Bmarvin35@gmail.com
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This batch sold but I have more . Photos to follow
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This batch sold. Second batch further down. Update second batch sold. One more batch left. Photos soon
Some dings, dents and rust
8 for $100 shipped CONUS
Email is best point of contact bmarvin35@gmail.com
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I bid on most of the AOW Handy Gun and the Handy Gun variants. Prices weren't terrible but there wasn't anything super unique .
Ended up with two of them. The CIA deer gun was cheap in my opinion . A mint example brought over $20,000 at a Rock Island Auction. This one was under $5000 with premium
8 inch Essex is pretty unique.
Bought one of them
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I bid on most of the AOW Handy Gun and the Handy Gun variants. Prices weren't terrible but there wasn't anything super unique .
Ended up with two of them. The CIA deer gun was cheap in my opinion . A mint example brought over $20,000 at a Rock Island Auction. This one was under $5000 with premium
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I have talked to Mr Keene on several occasions about buying or selling.
He will cut a deal on seller commissions for the right stuff.
Even then do I have the guts to step up to an auction where the real money either is or isn't in the last few seconds ?
I have scored great deals ("screwing" the seller) at Morphys , Rock island etc.
If there were reserves I would feel safer as a seller.
It would be up to them to accept the item or not.
Morphy will allow reserves if they really want the item
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There will always be a market for the best. Shooter grade guns may flatten or even decline in price but the 95% original C&R guns will continue to climb (unless the government changes something). Buy what you like and can afford and look at it as a hobby, not an investment and you'll sleep much better
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Thank you again. I'll write a letter and send it to the son with the form 4's and see what happens
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Thank you Bob.
These are fairly generic 12" .410 Handy Guns but I'd hate to see them destroyed.
The original forms exist, proving the were legally registered to the deceased uncle.
His brother inherited the guns and was the executor of the estate
The brother that inherited the guns is now deceased as well.
The son has the guns now and is the executor of his fathers estate.
I've advised him to remove the barrels and keep them at a different location.
He sent the ATF an email and got this response :
"Good afternoon,
To be able to sell the NFA firearms you may complete an ATF Form 4 for each one. You will be signing on behalf of the deceased so you will have to attach proof of executorship as well as the death certificate with the forms. If you wish to keep them yourself you would use the ATF Form 5. "He thinks we can fill out a form 4 from the deceased uncle to myself and get the transfer approved
I remain dubious.
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Working with a guy on a couple Handy Guns. His uncle registered them in the early 1960's
He passed and gave them to his brother
No forms were filed.
The brother died and gave them to his son (who I am dealing with)
What's the simplest way to get these transferred to the son and eventually me?
Should he send the ATF a letter outlining what I said with copies of the original forms?
He wants to throw them in a lake and be done with them.
I'm trying to prevent that
Thanks
Brian
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I'v done it. I stumbled across an old High Standard Model S pistol, which was a smooth-bored pistol they made before 1934. There were several others listed by serial number in the C&R NFA-exempt list and I sent NFA Branch a letter requesting that my pistol be added to the list. I included photos of the pistol and the serial number where it was stamped on the major components. A couple of months later I got a letter informing me that my pistol had been added to the list.
It was actually pretty straightforward and painless.
Did you send the information to tech branch or just the generic address for transfers?
Thanks
Brian
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The gentleman that "found" the gun called West Virginia to first inquire if it is registered, even though the form isn't with the others, and second to ask about getting an exemption. Photos and a letter with the reason why were requested by ATF. They made no mention of needing the actual firearm.
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I believe you have to send the weapon to ATF, not pictures.
That would be quite the risk that you'd ever get the gun back
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Here's a fairly typical Auto and Burglar Model B that was exempted from the NFA in 2013.
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I may have a chance of buying a fairly rare C&R AOW. It isn't registered. It's twin is on the ATF exempt list (listed by serial number). This one is 4 digits off. I can break down the gun and keep the parts and different locations so I'm in compliance but I'd rather have it together.
Has anyone petitioned the ATF and gotten an exemption?
I assume I'd send photos and the reason why to tech branch?
Thanks
Brian
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It may be worth it it reach out to Reed (or Trey) Knight at Knight's Armament. Reed has a lot of prototype Armalites in his collection
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Book sold to Bridgeport28A1
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Parts kit sold pending funds to member 2t2.
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I already have two copies and I'm tempted to buy this
Morphy Auction oops
in Curio & Relic AOW (Any Other Weapon) Forum
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John has always been good to deal with but not everyone is John. In my case I had just bought two Handy Guns and two others just got approved. It was a perfect storm for a mistake.