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What do you RKI think of the Madsen Model 50 9m/m SMG ? I have one and I don't recall seeing it mentioned in these forums. Mine is a very reliable gun, light, easy to clean and has overall been a good addition to my collection. Are they somewhat rare as C&R or why are they not more popular?
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Here is the invoice and copy of the check to pay for #8074. The sheriff bought the gun in December 1929 and I bought the gun in December 1989. So, they owned it for 60 years and I've owned it for 25 years. The gun is a 1921 AC and is in at least 90% plus condition. What came with the gun is a drum pouch and 50rd drum, mag pouch (4 slots-single flap) and a pistol belt. All 3 web gear are marked
"Mills 1921". I believe a 3 part set is quite hard to find and the Mills 1921 marked pistol belt is quite rare.
3 20rd mags are in excellent condition and 1 18 rd shot shell mag which looks like new also came with the gun, plus a cleaning rod and nickel oiler.
I traded S&W 9m/m pistols plus some ammo for the gun and accessories and I kept copies of the whole transaction. The gun was transferred to me on a form 5. I fired 10 shells thru the gun
(3 in semi and 7 in full automatic) just to make sure it worked. It then became a safe queen and put on display a few times but never again fired. My Colt Thompson display consists of this 1921AC
plus a 1921A, 1927AC and a 1928 Navy.
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Maybe not the rarest but as a practical matter the 601 started military use of the whole series so could be viewed as the startof M16 collections.
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I return to the reason for my original question. If an M2 that is not in the correct Winchester or Inland serial number range, and is not factory stamped M2, is transfered to a holder of a C&R license, what prevents a future examiner declining a transfer as not being a C&R?
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The reason I asked the question of factory marked M2s is "if a overstamp is transfered as a C&R is it not possible that on a future transfer application a different examiner might not feel its a C&R as form 4s & 3s are not marked C&R?"
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How hard is it to find an original Inland M2, receiver factory marked M2 and in the correct serial number range, so there is no doubt its a Curio and Relic
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Shooter---Rock Island Auction has a sale coming up with a C&R M3 at a estimated price of $7,500 to $12,000. I may be interested in your M3 if its a C&R. E-mail me if you wish to discuss.
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US Government property is the peoples property and destroying it is destroying our property, yet can you imagine us destroying US property. But I suppose we could seek refuge under the 5th amendment and plead our computer crashed. I can imagine how that would fly.
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Great looking old classic and a wonderful addition to your collection.
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BMarvin-----please tell Eric you have been in tx contact with Bill Larson. I had several of my guns listed in his booklet. I lost contact with Eric several years ago and would be interested in his new book.
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BMarvin--------back when I was collecting Handyguns I had a small booklet published by Eric Larson which listed a large number of Handyguns by serial number and variation type. The 8" hooked trigger quard was very uncommon. Thanks for the picture, I sure do enjoy these old Handyguns.
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I'm glad to see someone else collects these H&R Handyguns. I had several back before my state allowed machineguns. I sold off several [but kept the rarest] to buy machineguns. I also have another hard to find variation: .410, 8". late model with no pistol grip spur but a hook behind the trigger guard.
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I too need a 8" 28ga. I have a beautiful 12i/4" 28 ga and that is the only 28 ga I have had a chance to buy since 1980. I shoot mine with English 2 1/2" shells.
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- BMarvin----post a picture of your new Handygun purchase. As you I'm sure are well aware its a thrill to find one for sale.
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I just picked up another H&R Handygun. The form 4 was a 9 month transfer time and that included the form 4 being returned to the transferor for a change/correction on the form 4. This is a .410, 12 1/4" choked barrel. This is the most common Handygun variation. This gun is somewhat unusual because of its excellent condition. The tiger strip appears orangeish but it was the light,as it is a crisp silver. Sorry, but I am not a good photographer. These Handyguns are fun little guns for shooting.
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Back in the early 80s I bought a Colt/Armalite AR15 Model 601 that came on the form as a M16. Because the 601 is a C&R and a m16 is not in about year 2006 I sent in request to change the model to a 601. The ATF was extremely helpful and I sent in photos of the guns nomenclature and ATF sent me a letter stating that they had changed their records and how I should refer to it as a Colt/Armalite and use model 601. Now it is a C&R which is a correct designation. Of course the serial # stayed the same.
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OPPS---back when I said the transferee had to initial and date the form 4, it was the transferor who had to initial and date. My txing got ahead of my mind.
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I recently {9 months ago} purchased a .410 H&R Handygun. The form 4 read Shortbarreled shotgun and Any other weapon underlined . The form 4 to me was filed out exactly as the old one. Just rejected by ATF and they wanted "shortbarreled shotgun" lined out and dated and initialed by the transferee. He has complied and refiled. Now the wait begins again. The ATF is completely correct on this one.
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I do not have a Reising yet, but my question is; If I find a gun with a 12 shot mag well how hard is it to change to 20 rd and how hard is it to find the part, how hard is it to switch and what do you estimate the cost?
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I have a beautiful MP40, but not as nice as the one on subguns. I suppose it could have been captured shortly after issue, and that might explain the wonderful condition. I imagine only a hands on examination by a RKI might determine if its refinished.
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As we celebrate today with family and friends lets pause to give a silent prayer to our men and women serving in the US military and posted around the world often in countries many of us cannot even pronounce. They are protecting our right to enjoy our freedom in relative safety and worship the God of our choice. Let us reflect on that special freedom to own and fire fully automatic weapons which is a freedom enjoyed by few others around the world. Have a safe holiday and may GOD BLESS AMERICA
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As the media reports the charges against the VA it tears at my heart that those charges might be accurate. If so we have violated a sacred trust we formed with all those who donned a US military uniform when we promised that if they upon returning home need medical care we would take care of them. If we have failed our brothers and sisters shame on us. I believe we must at all costs reestablish that sacred promise. God Bless America
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I also have a Long Branch STEN MK II, with Chinese markings. It is dated 1945 and is in excellent condition. It is 9m/m Luger caliber. I assume it was sold off bY the
canadian government when it was in the pipeline when the war ended and so did the contract for them. One might think that those in Chinese hands might be converted to 30 caliber because of the must have been a vast supply of ammo.
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I have a leather holster like we are talking about , it has a much darker brown than the IMA one shown, also it has very thick ridged leather.
Madsen Model 50 SMG
in Class III Forum
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Here are pictures of my Madsen Model 50, 9 m/m. Notice that it splits apart with a hinge to open like a book, making it easy to clean and replace parts if needed. From the factory there is a mag loader and a safety button wired into the rear grip in the photo which I have never removed. Also, I have a 3 mag canvas belt pouch. This gun is about as close to new condition as you will find. The leather wrapped swing out butt is in perfect condition. This is probably one of the first items to wear out leaving only a metal butt. You notice there are 2 levers behind the mag. The closest one is the mag release, and the second larger one is a safety so when not depressed prevents the bolt from going forward enough to fire a round. On some guns the lever has been removed so the gun can fire one-handed. The finish on the gun is a black paint. All in all a great little submachinegun.