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Apologizing for not being on the forum for awhile, Been on a tangent restoring vintage Baja 1000 Bikes. Was reading Tom's new book with interest on the BM Aresenal Proofed Guns.
I did a fair amount of searching and can't find any info on a recent sale of one and was curious what everyone thought they may be worth. Mine is #3684, The George Wallace gun in Gordons Books. This gun is one of 9 in Toms book. It has proofs in the correct location and are crisp and not mis-struck. I have a ton of stuff with this gun including shot mag and full box of shot and Oscar Paynes 1923 catalog, 3 digit C-Drum. 21 parts, old case. David and Sig have looked over some of the photos and catalog years ago. Don't need to sell it necessarily, just curious what they might be worth and if any had sold recently. Hi to the Gang and good to see you all on here.
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Near the Armor display by the center entrance on the east side is a Burger trailer with picnic tables. Gordon, Murray Willis and I used to take the lunch break there. Might be a good central location if a date and time could be worked out for everyone. It's just a few steps out the middle door there.
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I'll be there probably shopping sunday. Always a good group of guys on the tables on the east wall of the West Bldg where Gordon was. Chuck Olsen and quite a few others.
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He stated that the grind area was similar in size and shape but with it rusted you could just see the area had been ground off. And it was -10 outside..
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He said the railway workers took it and gave it to the president of the railroad. I just sent him a pic of the recent Nelson gun defacement to see if he remembered what the grind marks looked like.
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I was having a random conversation this afternoon with a fellow in the bridge demolition industry and he out of the blue mentioned he had dredged up a Thompson in 2008 when they were repairing the derailment of the Turkey Creek Bridge a couple miles southeast of Guttenberg, IA in 2008.
There was no wood left, the vertical grip screw was still there, He said it was way rusted but they took it to the service truck and wire wheeled the sides of it and the only thing notable was a circular area where the serial numbers had been ground off and could faintly read COLT'S
Anybody know of any going's on in Guttenberg IA in the Gangster era? He figured someone just threw it off the bridge.
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Gordon's Book shows shipped 1-31-34 1 of 2. This gun is 10 serials later than mine (3684) and has the British proofs as does mine. In visiting with T.D. awhile back, These guns mostly showed up delivered to agencies on the southeastern coast states.
Seems plausible that a group of these guns were taken to the UK for evaluation and brought back and sold on a sales trip to agencies thru the Southeast. Perhaps at a discount since they'd been used or fired/tested.
Mine (3684) was shipped to Montgomery AL PD on 12-27-33 1 of 2. 3694 was shipped to Salisbury, NC (Rowan County) PD on 1-31-34 1 of 2, so the timing of the sales seems to fit that theory.
I have no information proving this, just a theory.
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Thanks Everyone. Any Idea what they are worth these days?
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Might be my lucky day.
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The dimension on the band diameter is .672 give or take half a thou.
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It appears to be checkered, the points are sharp. Don't have my calipers handy but the band dimension is slightly bigger than .625
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Need the folks to chime in here on what this is.
Murray Willis and I were rummaging in boxes at the SAR Show in PHX in 2012, looking for Luger stuff, and Murray tossed this to me and I think I paid 100 bucks for it. Didn't think much further about it and tossed in in my box of parts
It was used as in the photos. I know Doug Richardson made some excellent Repros. It has no identifying marks on it.
Any ideas? My guess is it's a repro of some sort.
Thanks all.
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How 'bout do it ass backwards and make the Blish lock out of steel? With the surface areas the same, just transposed, may have the same "Adhesion" or whatever he called it. Sounds like a fun project.
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Never seen one with wooden dowels in it but looks Savage to me.
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Same proof but mine are oriented vertically as you look at each side. The lower stamp on mine is at the far left of the grip frame where it meets the receiver.
The one on your grip frame looks like it was struck pretty deep. Odd story, it is.
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What are the Dates again? Gonna miss Gordon's free Vendor Badge....I'll be there Saturday if I knew which one..
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In order to further muddle this, My 28 overstamp, #3684 "George Wallace" Thompson out of the Birmingham, Al P.D is Birmingham Arsenal proofed and shipped from AOC to the P.D..
I think I recall TD finding a few of the Birmingham proofed Guns finding homes along the southeast and southern US Police Dept's. Almost sounds like a sales trip thru the Southeast by someone resulted in selling these guns.
Perhaps someone took some guns to England for inspection/potential sale in the later twenties? I have no idea, just asking.
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I just missed you. Had one of the fire planes there from Aug. 12th to Sept 11th. Stayed at the 40's themed Hangar Hotel, Flew 105 hours on fires in the Hill Country. Saved some homes, and hay and outbuildings. Came back to PHX on the 12th. Went to the Museum there twice to get it all in. Ate lots of good food.
The 28 Overstamp there I thoink was a J. Curtis Earl Gun from PHX that transferred to an individual in TX and was donated. It's displayed showing the left side because someone marred up the right side trying to get the internals out of the gun.
My favorite place in Texas too.
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I ran across the Kingston, NC 28 overstamp S/N 8819 listed for sale on GovDeals.com
Anybody know anything about it?
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This is along the same line of discussion about Colt somehow using some electro-pen looking device for marking S/N 41. Under no circumstance would Colt have let #41 go out the door for sale with those markings. Furthermore, there is no other evidence of Colt ever using such a device. The "pattern gun" illustrates that Colt had in their employ, not only Electro-pen Thompson engravers apparently, but ham fisted die strikers ready to mark any specialty gun in their secret rooms with a large hammer.
Hats off to T.D. and ReconBob for the call.
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Quite a pair and a good photo.
#3684 helping advertise Gordon's then new cases.
RIP Gordon.
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I didn't dress up In time for a camera most times but I ran into these two interesting fellows. The stories I sat thru with them. Priceless.
That's my Thompson #3684 advertising Gordon's new cases.
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That's a nice piece. It sure is a shame that someone devalued it by scribbling on it. I'd be glad to trade you an old Remington Rand 1911A1 from WWII for the 38 Super and your 1908 pocket .380. I'd even pay for the shipping.... I think that's more than fair.
Let me know..
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That's unfortunate
Birmingham Arsenal Proofed Colt Prices.
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Thanks Michael! Nice to hear from you!