All Vector full auto guns are group industries guns that were flats made and registered by GI, then sold at auction to Vector so the above statements are confusing to most guys. Group industries made a lot of guns before they were forced to liquidate at auction. Thus all Vector guns are Group guns, but not all Group guns are Vector. Vector then finished the registered flats off (some fine, some not so fine) by bending the flats and completing them. The numbers back in the day were pretty bad and a lot of them got sent back to vector to be fixed, generally with success. The initial failure rate was pretty high, but by now I'd guess 99% have been fixed one way or another. That all happened in the early 2000's so being at the 20 yr. mark you'd think most everything got fixed by now? There was no welding problem at Group in Louisville, but there certainly was at Vector since they had multiple employees doing the work, some great, some not so good. I don't recall huggytree ever posting about a gun he got that did actually work, or those that did, he broke soon after he got it? Could be a coincidence or ? Back in the day the vectors were entry level guns priced at $2000 or less so some guys bought them and shot the crap out of them, so there are a number of guns with pretty high round counts, been refinished multiple times, welded up, and look good but are near the end of their lifespan. Buyer beware. Hopefully that clears up, what to me, looks like a lot of confusion by some posts in the thread. Or it's just me? No for sure not you. HuggyTree is one of the most clueless and opinionated individuals that thinks he is right 100% of the time. You hit it on the head every gun he has owned has had some kind issue even magazines I have watched him at the Subgun matches and he is clueless spewing mis-information. I used his original Uzi and no issues for me but when he used it limp wrists the grip safety causing all kinds of jambs. Now he is a big time dealer oh boy