Pitchy Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I have a Quigley Sharps rifle in 45-70 and been doing a little shootin to record the ranges on the sight. The picture is from a earlier shoot at 150 yards using a sand bag rest and a blade front and peep on the rear. The top holes are from the initial shots till i got it down to the group in the center. Couple days ago we set up a four by five piece of cardboard starting at 200 yards and worked up to 400 yards. All shots are in about a 18 inch spread which i`m more than happy about for fixed sights. The bullet is a flat nose 400 grain lead , what amazes me is how flat it shoots. Notice i only had to raise the sight one mark for ever 50 yards up till 400 yards then two marks. Awesome rifle. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/sharpssightmarks.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/175target.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Kaboom! I always wanted to shoot one of those buffalo-killers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Kaboom! I always wanted to shoot one of those buffalo-killers! Thanks Norm. Come on guys just trying to add a little spice too your board, was amazed at how flat that 400 grain bullet shoots and thought some of ya all would too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) What's the (realistic) range on that gun? That's a lot of lead flying down-range! Edited May 31, 2009 by Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 What's the (realistic) range on that gun? That's a lot of lead flying down-range! Check out this shoot, they shoot 800 meters at full size Buffalo targets with consistant hits. Those big heavy bullets aren`t effected by the wind much. Quigley shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Got a Shiloh Bridgeport myself. I've had it for about three or four years, never shot it. I used to shoot an original Trapdoor from time to time but normally limit my BP shooting to flintlocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Got a Shiloh Bridgeport myself. I've had it for about three or four years, never shot it. I used to shoot an original Trapdoor from time to time but normally limit my BP shooting to flintlocks. I`m shootin smokeless powder in my Sharps, as like you I shoot black in my ML`s. Here`s a few of my black powder rifles and handguns and gonnes i`ve made and my Pedersloi Blue Ridge 54. Lets start with the earliest type, handgonnes are from the middle 1400`s. These are 50 cal. smoothbore. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/gonne1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/gonne2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/gonne8.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/2ndgonne2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/gonne2handlebest.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/44gonne1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/44shoot1.jpg These are called wall guns, they would put the hook over the castle wall aim then shoot and the hook would eliminate the recoil. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/hackenbuchse.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/shootinghaken1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/matchgonne6.jpg Over the shoulder model. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/matchgonne2.jpg 78 cal wall gun. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/Hack75cal3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/shooting2-1.jpg Matchlock 50 cal pistol. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/newbayolightclossed.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/newbayodarkopen.jpg Matchlock mase http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/mace1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/maceshoot2.jpg Matchlock rifle 54 cal. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/stockbirchbest.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/shootingbest.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/matchlockdoe1.jpg Pedersoli Blue Ridge 54. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/07buckbest.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick4440 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I have a Quigley Sharps rifle in 45-70 and been doing a little shootin to record the ranges on the sight. The picture is from a earlier shoot at 150 yards using a sand bag rest and a blade front and peep on the rear. The top holes are from the initial shots till i got it down to the group in the center. Couple days ago we set up a four by five piece of cardboard starting at 200 yards and worked up to 400 yards. All shots are in about a 18 inch spread which i`m more than happy about for fixed sights. The bullet is a flat nose 400 grain lead , what amazes me is how flat it shoots. Notice i only had to raise the sight one mark for ever 50 yards up till 400 yards then two marks. Awesome rifle. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/sharpssightmarks.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/175target.jpg I have the 3 band military sniiper version of that rifle. Double set trigger with tang sight. My current load is a 405 grain Lyman cast bullet with a gas check that makes it a 415 grain on top of 47 grains of H322. I haven't chronographed it yet but it seems to be a pretty smoking load. I have friends pushing 52 grains of H322 out of them but I'm pretty sure the 47 load will drop about anything on the continent. I don't see the need to go higher. I love the rifle though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick4440 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Got a Shiloh Bridgeport myself. I've had it for about three or four years, never shot it. I used to shoot an original Trapdoor from time to time but normally limit my BP shooting to flintlocks. I`m shootin smokeless powder in my Sharps, as like you I shoot black in my ML`s. Here`s a few of my black powder rifles and handguns and gonnes i`ve made and my Pedersloi Blue Ridge 54. Lets start with the earliest type, handgonnes are from the middle 1400`s. These are 50 cal. smoothbore. I don't know how to add pics here but I have taken deer with my Brown Bess and my 50 tennessee rifle as well as the sharps. I guess I'm not the only one whose interests range from Flintlocks to Thompsons. I have some old barrels lying around. I shouldn't look at pics of matchlocks or I may start having strange urges to go out to the shop and dig some of those old barrels out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Hey Pitchy, The matchlock mace looks like it could leave a nasty mark on someone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I`ve shot the 405 roundnose for years but bought a Lee mould for the 405 flat nose this year. It molds out at 400 grains and i load it over 45 grains of 3031. Loads are for modern rifles only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick4440 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I`ve shot the 405 roundnose for years but bought a Lee mould for the 405 flat nose this year. It molds out at 400 grains and i load it over 45 grains of 3031. Loads are for modern rifles only. Yes, My sharps is a Pedersoli. I went back and forth between 3031 and H322 for a while till I found what worked best in my rifle. I have friends who have Pedersoli's and Shilo's and some work best with the H322 and some with 3031 and I know a couple of guys shooting 11-12 grains of unique. I love those sharps rifles though, The 3 band military I am talking about is my 5th Sharps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Got a picture of your Sharps would love to see it. We just came back from a trip out west and stopped at Big Timber Sharps and had a look. Beautiful rifles but the Pedersoli is just fine for me and a lot cheaper. I`ve never used H322, had a bunch of 3031 and it`s plenty accurate in mine so i`ll stick with it. I was shooting long range just to see what it was all about, would never take a shot at a game animal over 200 yards and probably a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Got a Shiloh Bridgeport myself. I've had it for about three or four years, never shot it. I used to shoot an original Trapdoor from time to time but normally limit my BP shooting to flintlocks. I`m shootin smokeless powder in my Sharps, as like you I shoot black in my ML`s. Here`s a few of my black powder rifles and handguns and gonnes i`ve made and my Pedersloi Blue Ridge 54. Lets start with the earliest type, handgonnes are from the middle 1400`s. These are 50 cal. smoothbore. I don't know how to add pics here but I have taken deer with my Brown Bess and my 50 tennessee rifle as well as the sharps. I guess I'm not the only one whose interests range from Flintlocks to Thompsons. I have some old barrels lying around. I shouldn't look at pics of matchlocks or I may start having strange urges to go out to the shop and dig some of those old barrels out. Just copy and paste from photo bucket or what ever host ya use. Yepper those matchlocks are cool and very accurate because it`s about impossible to flinch. Norm when ya only have one shot in battle ya need a little extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 The flintlocks I have came from Jim Chambers - York Country and a Mark Silver Virginia Rifle. http://www.flintlocks.com/rifles04.htm The Shiloh looks just like the one in their catalog, it is a standard Bridgeport. But when it is all said and done I will stick with the full autos, they will be some of the last that are ever parted with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Pitchy, Roscoe- Either of you guys have a wheel lock gun or ever even seen one? Ever since I saw one on the Leonardo Davinich episode of Man, Moment, and Machine on The History Channel; I've wanted to see one of these monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Pitchy, Roscoe- Either of you guys have a wheel lock gun or ever even seen one? Ever since I saw one on the Leonardo Davinich episode of Man, Moment, and Machine on The History Channel; I've wanted to see one of these monsters. Back about ten to fifteen years ago when I was really into the muzzleloaders I would run across a reproduction wheel lock ever so often. All were custom build guns from Rifle Shop parts. I have seen a number in museums, I believe Colonial Williamsburg had one or two on display at the DeWitt Wallace museum. I got tired of having to deal with the Buckskinner crowd and lost interest in ML. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Go to this site and look through the pre-flintlock forum you`ll find lots of info about wheel locks. I was going to make one but haven`t got around to it yet, there are companies selling them now. Visit My Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick4440 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) Got a picture of your Sharps would love to see it. We just came back from a trip out west and stopped at Big Timber Sharps and had a look. Beautiful rifles but the Pedersoli is just fine for me and a lot cheaper. I`ve never used H322, had a bunch of 3031 and it`s plenty accurate in mine so i`ll stick with it. I was shooting long range just to see what it was all about, would never take a shot at a game animal over 200 yards and probably a lot less. I'll try to get a picture of my Sharps today while I'm out and around and post it this evening. Mine has unusually pretty wood on the forearm, Almost too pretty for a military rifle. <img src='http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/939783/sharps44.jpg' width=1202 height=396 > Edited June 1, 2009 by maverick4440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick4440 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/939783/sharps44.jpg OK, I got it to work that time (Whew!) I took a pic about an hour ago. Pedersoli doesn't make that particular model anymore. I carry it around on my horses and my neighbor gets all weird because it's getting dinged up a little and he can't see doing that to a $1600 gun but I don't believe in safe queens. It was intended to be used so I use it. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/939783/sharps22.jpg Edited June 1, 2009 by maverick4440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Very nice, looks a lot like mine other than the long wood. Is that the black powder style hammer on that model? Wasn`t the 1863`s the ones with the higher hammer or does it just look that way in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick4440 Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Very nice, looks a lot like mine other than the long wood. Is that the black powder style hammer on that model? Wasn`t the 1863`s the ones with the higher hammer or does it just look that way in the picture. I think it just looks that way in the pictures. It has the 74 style hammer with the long snout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Very nice, looks a lot like mine other than the long wood. Is that the black powder style hammer on that model? Wasn`t the 1863`s the ones with the higher hammer or does it just look that way in the picture. I think it just looks that way in the pictures. It has the 74 style hammer with the long snout. Cool i think that style looks better. Have ya shot any long range with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick4440 Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Very nice, looks a lot like mine other than the long wood. Is that the black powder style hammer on that model? Wasn`t the 1863`s the ones with the higher hammer or does it just look that way in the picture. I think it just looks that way in the pictures. It has the 74 style hammer with the long snout. Cool i think that style looks better. Have ya shot any long range with it? Nothing over 200 yards, The area I live in is so heavily forested that I can't find a range longer than 200 yards and I have to drive about 40 miles to get to that. I do a lot of 100 yard shooting though. I got inspired today because of this topic and broke out my 50 Tennessee Flintlock and boy am I RUSTY! I have been shooting pretty much cartridge for the last year and I was lousy with the flinter today. The first shot was a dead center bullsye, The next 4 shots were all over the place ! I should really set aside one weekend a month at least to keep in practice with the flinter. I have a 50 yard range in my back yard so it's not like I really have an excuse for not shooting. I have just been too involved in benching cartdridge guns and am out of practice for offhand flint shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitchy Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I shot flintlocks for a while but unless like you say ya shoot a lot it`s easy to pick up flinching and bad shooting. I`ve found the matchlocks to be the most accurate because you can`t see when the match hits the powder because of the eye shield so there`s no flinching. Flinch is the number one cause of poor accuracy in my opinion. A buddy of mine shoots flinters only and is dern good with one but i shoot percussion most the time with my factory rifle. Here`s a kinda neat gun i built that i`d like to shoot a deer with, it`s a percussion in 75 caliber. Made the lock smilier to a mules ear. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/finished4-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/lock2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/locktop2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/InTheWind/shootingbirch8.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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