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I came back to ask a question about the Model 65 & 165 Peep sights. I found mikemarvin's post about clips and saw the photos of the M65 on GunBroker. I had seen those photos and some of another M65 with a Lyman sight on them. That brought questions to my mind. At first I added the following to his thread. After some thought, I decided it needed its own thread. So, here it is. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=351928612 My understanding is that the models 65 & 165 came with a Redfield 90 peep sight. The Model 151 came with a Redfield 70 sight. I have seen a couple of model 65's on the web with a Lyman sight on them. From my understanding, these sights are not the original sight the rifles came with from R&H. My feeling is that they have been mounted to replace the lost or broken original Redfield sight. Anyone with better knowledge than that?

I have deleted this post because after looking at it, I think it deserves its own thread. I've moved it to the thread titled: Models 65 , 165 & 151 Peep Sights.

Thanks folks for the welcome. It's the first time I've ever found someone that would be interested enough to tell the story to, and that I felt like telling it to. I've had the need to take it into a smith a couple of times. The first one, in Seattle, said that he couldn't fix it, but that he'd be willing to buy it from me. HAH! The next one, here in Anchorage, was tickled to be able to work on it. Since making my origanal post here, I've found a zip-lok with a trigger, disconnector, firing pin and what looks to be a complete set of springs. I'd forgotten about them. @dalbert I had assumed that it was probably made near the end of the first run. Thanks for backing that assumption. We're looking forward to our move. I've been up here for 32 years now and love it. But, I need a change. The local mind set on firearms in HI does put me off. But, I am adaptabble. I can deal with all the restrictions, when I get them all figured out. The only problem is the possability of running afoul of them before becoming knowledgable. We'll be located on BI south of Hilo. I have made contact with 2ahawaii.com, a local firearms enthusiast group that seems to be centered on BI. No, all I have from the original aquisition is the rifle. The only other thing that might be of interest, is the NRA's book: "Firearms Assembly ... Rifles and Shotguns". It has a short 2 page article on the M65 with an exploded view with the parts numbered and named. I have the 1993 edition. I just checked. Per Amazon.com it is still listed as being in the current edition. http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/solo_voyager/HampRModel65-165Pg3of4_zps76e6ae58.jpg http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/solo_voyager/HampRModel65-165Pg4of4_zps7360311a.jpg

I can't help, it. I'm going to be a bit long winded with this. If you don't want to be bothered with my narative, then skip down to the red highlited portion. I've been preparing for a move from Alaska to Hawaii. I've been going through my very small selection of firearms. I pulled out my old H&R Model 165 to look at it again. And once again, out of curiosity, I've gone looking for more info about it. You folks appear to be the most informed about the H&R Model 165 and its bretheren that I have ever run across. http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/solo_voyager/DSC_0100_zpse5143bcd.jpg I've owned this rifle since I was 9 or 10. My father bought it new for me in 1952 or '53. He chose it because of the Model 65's Garand weight and dimensions, and its use by the USMC as a Garand trainer. He was a vet of WW II in Europe. It is also the heaviest. 22 rifle I have ever picked up. I'm always impressed as to how light and tinny other .22s feel. http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/solo_voyager/DSC_0106_zps6076e83e.jpg The first thing he did to it, I believe, was to put a military sling onto it. It is possible that it came with that type of sling, but I don't think so. The second thing was to pull the peep aperture out and throw it away. I learned to shoot it looking through the opening the aperture screws into. I found a replacement aperture at Gun Parts back about 2000. I also picked up 9 more clips for it. I still prefer to shoot it without the aperture. The field of view is much better and it can be aimed just as accurately. http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/solo_voyager/DSC_0107_zpsb9ced41b.jpg http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/solo_voyager/DSC_0109_zps1593749e.jpg It proved to be a lot like an electric train for Christmas. I spent more time watching him shoot it than shooting it myself. But, I did spend a lot of time with it off by myself out in the woods and old strip mines, coming home with my pockets full of squirel and chipmunk tails. Over the years, I have probaly done some things to it that detract from its "collector" value. For a number of years it had been out of my posession and had been stored poorly. It had some rust spots on the barrel and receiver. The stock had a crack in it and it was very dinged up. The sling had mildew stains on it. I sanded the pits out of the barrel and receiver and re-blued them, refinished the stock, replaced the sling swivels with a quick release type and put a newer military sling on it. When I picked up the peep aperture and extra clips, I also ordered what GP called a replacement stock for it. It was bigger and did not fit the 165 receiver and barrel. To fit the 165 it would have required some carving and filling. In the end it would not have looked like a 165. I eventually threw it out. Collector value is of no importance to me, because I have no intention of ever selling it, even though I do occasionally try to look up its value. What started my perusing for information about it this time, bringing me here, is trying to find out about serial numbering on the Model 165. Mine has a S/N of 7727. I am curious if its date of manufacture can be found out or estimated? I don't think I'll get much satisfaction though. The feeling that I have come up with is that either H&R never kept those records, or they have become lost since H&R closed down.