New Question On Sbr

[Hawkeye_Joe]

I recommended to someone NOT to have a 10.5 " barrel in possession before having his SBR tax stamp in hand for the semi he'll be converting. He alreaady owns a M1A1 parts kits he's had for over a year. He asked if this would be a problem. Should he sell the barrel to a friend until he gets his Form 1 or what?

 

Greg, what would you recommend??

[Norm]

I think you were correct. You should not have the barrel in your possesion until the paper work clears.

 

I think this falls under the "intent to convert" and/or "readily available to convert" policies.

 

I could be wrong....T-Man could tell us for sure!

[Motorcar]

I asked Greg the same question about the '28 parts kit I assembled on a dummy receiver since I also own a '27. Does ownership of an original 10.5" barrel, even if it is on a wall hanger, prove intent? I didn't think so and niether did Greg. If I remeber right he said the jack booted thugs wouldn't be kicking in the door to get my wall hanger anytime soon. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

 

Maybe he will chime in here when he gets a chance http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

[nfafan]

It would be a good idea to have a trusted friend hang on to the short bbl until the F1 comes back approved. Why take a chance.

 

Especially when you announce your intent by asking the Oh Mighty ones for their permission - you have become the low hanging fruit. A lot easier to come after YOU rather than hunt illegal aliens.

 

We can only hope, as motorcar has hinted, that they have better things to do.

[Bill in VA]

No need to sell it, just have him give it over to a trusted friend until his Form 1 comes back "Approved."

[Tman]

It all comes down to intent. If your intent is to knowingly and willfully break the law, then you may have problems. I can't comment about every judicial district in the country but the ones I have worked in would laugh me out of the room if I tried to bring a 'constructive possession' case dealing with a short barrel that is not even installed on a gun.

 

Now if someone needs to be worked, then we can add some charges but that rarely happens. The criminal 'ocean' is full of trophy size crooks. There is no need to go fishing for a minnow. Don't let the stories from the tinhat crowd scare you.

 

Bill is right. If you feel the need to get rid of it, give it to a friend until your form comes back. Heck, you could even take it to work and store it there.

 

HTH,

Greg

[Hawkeye_Joe]

Thanks Greg, I just don't want to give out bad advice.

 

Another thing, do you still have to have the receiver engraved with the manufacturing info???

[The Lone Ranger]

QUOTE (Hawkeye_Joe @ Sep 4 2007, 10:46 AM)

Another thing, do you still have to have the receiver engraved with the manufacturing info???

HJ: Straight from the horse's mouth... or any other part of equine anatomy you may want to apply to government. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif For brevity sake I chopped the part about DD/Silencers, the entire reg can be found here: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/26...7cfr479.102.htm

 

Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified?

 

(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must

legibly identify the firearm as follows:

(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise

conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped

(impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual

serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not

susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must

not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For

firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,

the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number

must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller

than 1/16 inch; and

(2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise

conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped

(impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain

additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not

susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For

firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,

the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information

must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information

includes:

(i) The model, if such designation has been made;

(ii) The caliber or gauge;

(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when

applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;

(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State

(or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer

maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the

firearm; and

(v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in

which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation

thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For

additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs

regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

(b ) The depth of all markings required by this section will be

measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges.

The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this

section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of

the character impression bottoms (bases).

 

[Tman]

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Most guys who build their own SBR's will use the original serial number and just add their name and address (city and state) somewhere on the reciever. Word to the wise, make sure that the markings are legible and in a place that is visible without taking the gun apart.

[Hawkeye_Joe]

Thanks for the info ... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif