Rekraps Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Hello, anyone have, or have access to MP 18.1 SMG 20 round stick magazines, and/or an original magazine pouch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Possibly. I have 20 rd. mags and a pouch, but I'm not 100% sure the mags came in the pouch? Are you looking for specific info, looking at buying one, or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Possibly. I have 20 rd. mags and a pouch, but I'm not 100% sure the mags came in the pouch? Are you looking for specific info, looking at buying one, or?YES! I have a beautiful MP 18.1 with only one original mag. I would love to purchase mags & pouch! The mags are 20 round stick version, and I believe the pouches were leather three pocket type. Please text me: 404.290.2911 or email: Tinroad244@hotmail.com And thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 This is a pouch that I have. Not sure it's for the MP18, could be MP28? The magazines are numbered (even though I am missing one of the matching numbered ones) 1-4 and it's a 4 cell pouch so you could try to draw a conclusion, but info is scarce on these. The odd non matching mag also has a number 4 on it. The magazine in my gun is also numbered 4, but no serial numbers. The magazines are for sure MP18.Info is so scarce no one can seem to explain why the snail drum mag guns seemingly have higher serial numbers than the stick mag guns? Or if snail drums were made for this gun and used in Lugers? Not the other way around. It would take a much larger data base to draw worthwhile conclusions. There is another thread on the MP18 that I posted pictures of somewhere a couple years back with some additional info and photos. Unfortunately this mag set will stay with the gun, but it may be a good reference for you to find another? Wish I had the gun with those numbers! HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Nice mags! I've seen several of the MP 18.1 pouches and yours does not look like them. The ones I've seen (never in person) are leather but three x pouches, with the mags on edge. The one you have sure looks nice however, and it is obviously old. On to the serial number discussion. The snail drums, as you know, were also used for the Luger pistol and it could just be that so many were made that those left (i.e. made later) are the ones that survived. The stick mags were made after the war for use in the limited number of police issued MP 18.1's with modified mag wells to accept the sticks. I have read that very few were made. As you note, the information on these guns is very sparse, especially with respect to how many still exist. I've read where the treaty allowed only 200 of the versions we have, and "official" ones are stamped with the date 1920, and Police (in German). this would explain the relatively low SN issue. My 18.1is in almost new condition (original blueing) and has a factory stick mag well, with proper manufacture marks but NO date or any other stamps, which leads me to believe the gun may be an "off the record production model. i.e. made in violation of the treaty, or one pulled off the line for a collector or special person. I have searched far and wide for the mags, but to date have only the single one that came with the gun. Not wanting to ruin a great piece, I had a bolt reverse engineered and slightly modified to accept STEN mags (modified also). Gun runs great with original bolt/mag, or with replacement bolt/modified STEN mags. Please let me know if you ever want to sell one or two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 I want to post a pic or two of the gun and mag, but can't figure out how! Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Next to "post" at the bottom is "more reply options", if you do that you should see where you can browse pictures and upload them, at least on firefox that is what I see. There are ways to directly link them I believe, but I have not done that in a long time and don't have an image host site. I've seen a number of 1920 marked guns over the years. Never seen any documentation as to how many.I have some sten magazines made to fit without any need to modify the gun or bolt.I have P-kasten boxes and I would contend those were never made for luger pistols. If you extrapolate MP18 serial numbers and allocate 1-2 boxes of drums per gun, that number nearly matches overall production of snail drums. I've seen a lot of photos of MP18's with boxes, but never a luger anywhere near a P-kasten leading me down a different path than what most people think. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) Here she is. Note no 1920 stamp. Magazine well was an obvious factory modification (slightly different finish). My magazine is in okay shape.... Edited March 3, 2023 by Rekraps free up space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Interestingly, even the charging handle and butt plate have the SN on them. Those Germans were unbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Nice looking gun. Whomever reacitivated it probably should have made the missing screw on the bottom of the receiver to get a better look, or put the pin in on the bottom vs. the top and ground them down. Those screws are not that hard to make. What typically happened is that the barrels were welded shut, put back in, then the screw head was ground off or removed and the hole welded over to prevent barrel removal.The number "1" on your magazine appears like mine in that it came from a numbered set. I have another 3 cell leather pouch inbound at some point that holds 20 round MP18 magazines and that one is WW2 datedYour magazine well may have been made at a different facility, but more likely the gun was converted over from drums, thus the different finish.The leather pouches on edge are more likely MP28 or later pouches with 32 round mag capacity. I've never seen a stick mag for the MP18 larger than 20 rounds. I've seen a number of MP28 32 round mags put into MP18's, because they do fit, but are not really correct. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Great info. If you ever hear of any 20 Roy d mags for this gun co e up for sale, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Also, as best I can determine, all of the "police" side fed guns were conversions from snail drum examples. No new Mp 18.1's we're made for domestic German consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Our guns are very rare indeed! "Since the treaty allowed the Weimar Republic to keep a small quantity of submachine guns for police use, a few hundred MP 18.1s were modified to accept Schmeisser's original 20-round magazine design. This modification, conducted by Haenel Waffenfabrik, required removal of the existing magazine well collar, and replacement with a different one. These weapons were overstamped with the date "1920" on the receiver and magazine well to show they were legitimate weapons owned by the Weimar Republic and not war bringbacks or clandestine weapons.[citation needed]" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annihilator Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Whats that pin going through the receiver in front of the mag housing?Your MP18 has no other markings? What do you mean by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 That is apparently a barrel retaining pin from a deactivation. Should be a screw in the underside. The factory modified side fed (stick mag) versions within Germany were all post Versailles treaty compliant and supposedly for police use only. As such they were required to be stamped as mine, PLUS "1920" to signify legitimate compliance with the treaty terms. Clearly, Germany manufactured more, covertly, as illustrated by my gun. In addition, the serial number of 35217 indicates that there were a substantial number made. The question is this: How many are left? How many are registered with the ATF? Very few. Especially of this version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted June 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 *reactivation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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