Caponeophile Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I've been searching and getting different answers. Anyone in the know care to take a stab at what this could mean. I was told smokeless but another ammo expert and even Bill Helmer told me that it wasn't for smokeless because smokeless was invented at the turn of the century and wouldn't need any special marking for them. Photos from the William Helmer collection. http://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/223734400.jpg http://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/223258c20.jpg http://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/223a39a50.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Mario, The pictures didn't load correctly. Do you have links? David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caponeophile Posted January 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Thank-you David, how about now? Do they work? Mario, The pictures didn't load correctly. Do you have links? David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I think it silver gliding, but I could be wrong. Not that they are made of silver, but just a term used. I need to check if it's listed in my catalog. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Thank-you David, how about now? Do they work? Mario, The pictures didn't load correctly. Do you have links? David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Mario, Yes, they are now loading. I've forgotten the exact meaning of the "S," but the bullets have a cupro-nickel covering. The SVDM bullets were of this type and marking. There are other boxes of the same type of ammunition that do not has the "S" marking. I believe this was discussed at some point here, maybe 8-10 years ago, and I have forgotten the exact details. I need to see if my original, 1st edition copy of Goddard's forensic journal (a personal copy of his) mentions the details of the marking. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caponeophile Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Thank-you David and Ron, Edited January 29, 2016 by Caponeophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caponeophile Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I'm now satisfied with what I have come up with. Much speculation has been made over the years about the what the "S" signifies. Many claim it meant smokeless or staynless. Neither one makes any sense because smokeless was invented at the turn of the century. There was no need to make a special stamp on live rounds when smokeless rounds were by now the norm and was printed on the ammo boxes. Another claim such as Staynless was a particular branding by Winchester for Winchester ammo and was not associated with U.S. Cartridge Co. ammo, even though the company that owned Winchester by this time owned U.S. Cartridge Co. Staynless is also not feasible because the were many other different rounds made by U.S. Cartridge Co. that had the S stamp and were made of copper and other metals. http://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/1x1.gifAn S die could have just been chosen at random to do the year long control sample run or it could have meant just that, Sample? How about S for Sporting ammo? (Non military). All good theories, but from all the evidence I have looked at and from Goddard's own mouth is the simple answer that the S stamped on these bullets were merely a manufacturer's mark representing the U.S. Cartridge Co. http://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/1x1.gifBy the end of 1926, much of the U.S. Cartridge Co's ammo manufacturing machinery left Lowell Massachusetts and was moved to New Haven, Connecticut at the Winchester plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I just always thought it was to denote which plant made the ammo after they opened thier second plant in South Lowell . You know , in case a problem arose .Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caponeophile Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I just always thought it was to denote which plant made the ammo after they opened thier second plant in South Lowell . You know , in case a problem arose .ChrisNot the case since the S batch that was used in the St. Valentine Massacre was produced between July 1927 to July 1928 at the Winchester plant in New Haven, Connecticut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 I understand that , but I don't think they had some flunky on the payroll sitting on a stool at a bench with a hand stamp and a hammer stamping those little "S"s. It was prob'ly done by machine somewhere along the line . Were not the New Haven line composed of machines from both Lowell plants ? I'm just guessing at a reason USCC started doing it in the first place , not who stopped it or when. Oft times we find someone doing something just because it had " always " been done that way , even if the true reason ended long ago.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo25mm Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 It might stand for Savage. I bought a parts kit form IMA-USA, the barrel was stamped Savage. This is what I have been told,,,Hope its true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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