Zamm

Hey Dave, Thanks! A combo of early surplus and PK's magic. It's always a pleasure to stop in and check out the latest info on a subject we all love! talk soon, My Best, Zamm

Sold! Thanks everyone.

Dam6 PM me and I'll give you all the info. Thanks, CZ

Hello All, Been quite a while since I was last on these boards. The membership has grown exponentially! Well, it's come to the time where I have to part with one of my prized possessions, a 1975 West Hurley Model 1927 A1 Deluxe. I am the original owner. In 2003/4 it was sent to Paul Krogh (PK) for an internal rebuild and super custom work making it resemble a 21 Colt style. The work PK did was incredible, just an amazing transformation. Since then, it has had exactly 50 rounds put through it by me (Speer 230 hardball). It is in MINT condition. Description below. Please private message me for price and other questions. I'm selling this rifle from NY State, so it must be received by a FFL whose number can be recorded onto the NY SAFE act's transfer paperwork. Best, Zamm. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1975 West Hurley Auto Ordnance Semi Automatic model 27 A-1 Deluxe Original 1975 Deluxe model 27A-1 manufactured from a variety of surplus and new parts. Entire rifle was rebuilt and customized by Paul Krogh (PK) in 2003/ 2004. Original receiver with small hole in front of large to “lock” bolt open by pulling up the actuator and letting it lock into small hole. This was a tricky and unusually hard way of holding the bolt open. This bolt hold open was changed relatively quickly by going to a magazine follower hold-open lever in later models. Curious point was that the magazines had to be further modified aside from the widening of the catch hole by cutting and folding the ramp on the magazine follower so as to enable the bolt to fully run forward in a closed position by pushing down the follower. A surplus magazine without this modification would result in the bolt slamming into the follower after the last cartridge left the mag. Messy, jarring and damaging to both the bolt and follower. Original actuator (coffee can shape) was modified and checkered by PK to resemble a 1921 model. Surplus GI bolt from an M1 Thompson that was modified by Auto Ordnance (Numrich) was what the early ones were shipped with. This has that original bolt. PK installed a new firing pin in this bolt during makeover. GI surplus 1928 ejector modified by PK to match a Colt style 21 ejector. Lyman adjustable ladder sight leaf (GI Surplus, Numrich origin) combined with a pot metal base was the sight that accompanied the Deluxe 27 A1 model in the beginning. They have come to be called “mutt” sights. PK refinished the base in black and riveted it to the receiver in correct manner. Original barrel had straight cut fins that were square and sharp to the touch. PK hand radiused the fins to resemble a 21 Colt version. Also added by PK was a witness mark to the barrel/frame. Early Style Compensator manufactured by West Hurley (Numrich). It has the Thompson logo stamped on it. PK shortened the barrel by 2 inches and then welded the compensator onto the barrel making it a permanent part of the barrel and giving the overall length of barrel 16 1/2 inches, giving the gun a much better profile without going to the SBR route. Compensator was also pinned for visual effect by PK. A GI fore-grip holder was fitted and installed by PK. Original West Hurley relied on screw exiting the holder and resting on barrel. This corrects the fore grip holder as it was meant to be. Drum slots were radiused by PK on side of receiver for 21 Colt look and ease of drum insertion. Frame is original West Hurley, but heavily modified by PK: Butt-stock slide adaptor custom made and fit, riveted/welded onto frame by PK. Frame drilled and selector switches added, one for safe/fire and one for bolt hold-open modification. Switches are GI surplus, checkered by PK to resemble 21 Colt commercial style. GI surplus pivot plate installed on opposite side of frame. Mag catch is original West Hurley/Numrich production and was not swapped out for GI model because my stick magazines were all modified for this catch. However, PK did fill in hole in center of thumb catch of mag release and checker to resemble a 21 commercial lever. Furniture: Vertical fore grip original GI surplus (West Hurley/Numrich) Beautiful, correct shape and size. Horizontal fore grip original GI surplus (Sarco) but was modified to fit the longer West Hurley barrel. Now that the barrel is 2 inches shorter and the fins radiused, it’s not a great fit, but still works. Commercial type butt-stock (21/28 profile, no reinforcing lug) GI surplus, but fitted for butt plate (GI surplus, cap and spring, also containing old style oiler) and slide lock (also GI surplus). All metal refinished by PK, stock wood finished by staining with proper color alcohol-based dye and hand rubbed with boiled linseed oil. Wonderful commercial 21 look and feel. Second butt stock, is same 21/28 profile wood, but with reinforcing lug and missing the slide lock. Wood finished in same manner as above. This one also has a butt plate, refinished. 6 Magazines: 2 twenty round mags, both are stamped Auto Ordinance, Bridgeport, Conn. One is original that came with the West Hurley gun and has the modified follower I spoke of for these early models. The other twenty round has been Parkerised. 2 Seymour 30 round mags. 2 Crosby 30 round mags. All magazines have been modified to lock with the original West Hurley semi-auto mag release. EZ Pull springs and buffer (Purchased from Deerslayer) were installed. Entire gun surface was refinished and blued by PK to resemble a 21 Colt commercial model. Numerous extras from a 1976 Auto-Ordnance catalogue to spare ejectors lengthened cleaning rods, etc. included as well as an FBI style carrying case that I built.

Ya - that's an early West Hurley. Mine (1975) had the same pain in the butt pull-up to lock the bolt open. Also chewed up the edges around the slot. When I sent the piece back to West Hurley for them to fix some issues, it came back with the mag - lock update. The 20 round mag that came with it had the follower milled down so the bolt did not slam into it, but rode over it and pushed it down a bit when it was empty...

Hey guys, I just read the registration form from the NYState police. If you look at the bottom, there is a provision for registering "Antique Magazines" that hold more then 10 rounds. Upon further searching at the new law's question and answer website, I found that any magazine manufactured 50 or more years ago is classified as an antique magazine. So, problem solved for all the GI sticks and drums. Just register them with your semi Tommy. Remember, though, you are only allowed to load 7rounds in these magazines, as per stated law . Cheers, Zamm

OK, This is on my "bucket list" for sure! Looks great, Darn! Will be there next year. Great shots, love the displays, Thanks, Zamm

Pouch? What pouch??

Yikes! Well, so much for my buddies "farmers and varmints and waking the neighbors" explanation!! I'll steer clear of that one. Thanks Casper, Z

Casper, Really Nice! Hey, I know Antwerpen pretty well. Have a good friend that lives on Cogels Osylei by the Bercham Station. I was always amazed by the fact that you guys could own suppressors! He has one for a .22 Walther pistol. Best, Zamm

Jeez Ron, Next time give a shout-out and we'll get a beer and go have a look at that Colt! Zamm

Well, Hopefully they will get in touch and I'll point out some of the things for sure. Great stands guys. Z

the suffolk county PD is a relatively young agency - it dates back to somewhere around 1960 and would not have bought Thompsons although maybe a few surplus ones wandered in. I think this tommy was given to the museum by the village around 1988 if I recall correctly. the reason the other Colt didn't go there (and I got it) was because the department chief kept it at home and didn't return it for many years post retirement. I got it out for sending in 4 M4/M16s and an holosight for each. there is still one Colt left in a village PD on eastern long island but it is a Form 10 gun unfortunately and in rough shape. They were not interested in parting it. I also got excited about a lead on another in Westchester but it turned out to be a savage and a Form 10. Phil, Yes, it was founded in 1960 by pulling together a lot of the towns departments. There are still a few separate town departments out east, or what we call "the wilds" of Long Island, such as East Hampton and South Hampton Police departments. Great story, thanks for the info. Lucky guy!!! C

Michael, Yeah, I thought so too. They had enough sense to put felt where the wire threads through by the drum.... But, then they actually put a screw eye into the buttplate top hole where the top buttplate retaining screw belongs. Yikes!! I did not want to linger much trying to see what type of damage it may have done. I hope I can get a response from the curator or whoever may be in charge. I tried a few years ago to photograph the one in the NY City police museum, but the curator would not even reply after 2 separate letters. Then I remember reading that Gordon H. offered to clean up the gun, it is actually rusting right there in the case!!! And he got no response for his efforts. Oh well, this one is in mint shape, oiled nicely. Hopefully I can get around to telling them to mount it in a more proper stand. Best, C

T.D., Yes, I'll ask about the catalog. It sure did look a bit too pristine, but you never know, they had some nice stuff in great shape there. And going back to one of the shots of the drum, I was able to pull up the rez...there's the "U" big as day. Z http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/zamm/ST10.jpg