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Thanks Bob. I will try that then. I'm decent with my mill, but not good enough to try this then.

I think I'm going to mill mine out as well. Did you ever find anything?

Hey guys, did a search didn't come up with any hits. Where are you guys putting your SBR markings for the semi's at? Anyone find a spot that looks nice on the weapon? I'm just finishing up my west hurly semi build and I sent in the paperwork for the SBR. I figured I might as well put the markings on it before I black oxide it. It's a west hurley 27a1 receiver on a 28a1 WWII frame with a horizontal grip and soon to be 10.5 WWII barrel with comp. I would like to put it somewhere where it won't be too fugly. Thanks in advance guys.

I had a quote several years back to refinish a 1915 Colt 1911. It was $1500 and took 6 months at least. I politely declined. Especially since at the time Bill Adair was doing it for like $300-$400. Unfortunatly Bill is gone now so I believe Ron's is the only one doing the Carbonia Blue that I know of. But still way too expensive in my opinion.

I remember seeing some M1 and M1a1 kits. But they were like $999 or something close to that. Which was too high. I saw some 28 cut receivers, but didn't really see any 28 parts kits. Gunbroker usually has them for around the $700-$800 range. I know I sold one here a month ago with a finned barrel and all Russian NOS condition. I think it fetched $775.

That is exactly what I needed. Thanks Joe!

I tried doing a search, but didn't come up with anything. Anyone have any plans on how to do the bolt hold open mod using the full auto rocker switch? I got done today fitting a 28a1 lower to my west hurley receiver. Now I'm looking at the full auto swtich and trying to figure out how to link that up with the pawl. Thanks in advance guys!

Ask and ye shall receive. Here is a list of 1911's and 1903's. I got this from John Hollobrook if you know who he is. Great Guy. http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt293/cplnorton2/nicaragua.jpg

Hey this site has given a lot to me, I thought I might give some back. I don't know if you guys have seen this or not, but this is a serial number list of 78 thompsons used in Nicaragua. Does anyone have one off this list? http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt293/cplnorton2/thompson.jpg

Yeah I've been throwing it around. It's just anyone's guess on whether it's real or not. I think I will just hang on it and maybe someday another one will pop up somewhere or maye a picture will show up. It's hard telling. Do you think the heatshield is legit USGI though?

I found out it's a 1200. I was wrong as usual.

Might have found one. Is this an 870 or winchester 1200. I can never tell. http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt293/cplnorton2/870trench.jpg

Yeah there would be some real money in it if some machinist wanted to do it on the side. To bad I'm horrible with a mill. lol

Try this link. I took a bunch more pics this morning out in the sunlight to try to get you a better pictures of everything. 870 pics The US was definelty hand stamped. But one interesting note. I called remington again today. The shotgun dates to the early 70's. And I found it was blued when it was sold new. So it has been refinished. I hadn't thought it was, but it sure has been. After thinking about it, I got a magnifying glass out and examined the US stamp. It was stamped and then sandblasted and then parked over. It was struck before refinishing. I also pulled the heat guard off again examined where the bead sight was, and the slots cut under the barrel for the shroud to fit. They too were done before it was refinished. As you can see evidence of sandblasting on both. Now looking at the finish, it can't be anything recent. And I don't think back then Bubba would have been good enough to fake it. Maybe today, but you can tell by handling this, it wasn't made recently. The park is old. You can always tell new park compared to old park. And that trench shield was put on by someone who knew what they were doing. And looks like they had done it many times before, because they didn't make one mistake. I just don't think Bubba would have taken the time to make this. And back then if Bubba wanted a trench gun, he could have probably bought one cheaper through the old DCM or gunshows then he could of got a new Wingmaster, heat shield, and then faked the stamps, and reparked it. It just wouldn't have made sense back then to make one likethis. At least to me it doesn't. Back then trench guns weren't valuable as they are now. And on the old jouster forum, a guy chimed in he had a 870 just like this many years ago. It had an 18'' barrel just like mine. And it had an ithaca trench gun heatshield attached to it. And I think my heatshield is an Ithaca as well. He said the guy he got it from attained it from military channels and that it was a navy seal gun. Hard telling on the seal connection. But I just think there is something to this 870. From what I researched, in Vietnam the military bought a lot of commercial shotguns and put them into service. One being the 870. As there are many accounts of 870's being used in the military by veterans. But no real huge military orders were place for 870's, until later on when the Marines ordered the Mark 1. So most say the 870's over there were commercial made guns without ordnance markings. With mine, maybe some young armorer thought it looked naked compared to a Winchester M12 or 1897 and tried to put a US stamp on the side. Hard telling where that came from. But I know when I worked in the Armory I hand stamped some weapons. So anything is possible I guess. Let me know what you guys think. Originally, I thought this was fake, but the more I research it and examine it, I really think this one might be genuine military used shotgun. And on selling it, I've kinda got fond of it the past couple days. As it looks nice in my safe next to my WWII model 12 trench. It I decide to sell it I will let you have first dibs at it though.

And to add to the mystery. I just found what looks like a civie Ithaca with the same markings on a trench gun adaptor at a rock island auction. It says it was made for US army special forces. Theirs looks like it has stampings on the stock too. But my stocks are missing so I don't know if mine had any or not. Here is a link to the auction. http://rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/50/lid/1550

I've posted this on several forums and can't get an answer, I hope someone here will know. Ok, long story. Saw an ad over at AR15.com. Here is the original ad. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&...93&t=800150 So I saw an 870 with a bunch of taticool stuff, especially the surefire forend for a decent price. I thought the heat shield was fake, and the US stampings on the shotgun were fake as well. But I talked the guy down to $400. I was planning on buying a surefire in the next week and they are about $225 or so. So I thought $175 more and get a shotgun with 2 barrels. No brainer. So I drove down to pick it up. After seeing it in person I don't think it's a bubba job. In fact I almost think it's military. The heat shield I'm sure is original USGI. It is stamped on the other side SP-30-06. It is 6 rows with 29 holes. Looking at it compared to other USGI heat shields online it looks legit. I have a couple fakes, and this one is no where in comparison to them. The quality is really good, and the park job is really, really old. I took it off the barrel and it was a bear to take off. It had been on there a long time. But under the barrel, the slots for the screws on the underside and the bead on the top were both removed and made and then parked over. And it's obviously a very old park job. The US is stamped on the side. I believe it's the original finish. I don't think this was ever reparked. I don't see any evidence of sandblasting. And after I got the shell sideholder off, it's a wingmaster serial S798647v. It's marked Cyl. on the barrel. I see a J stamp. And I see RFB or RFP, I would guess this is an inspectors mark. But I don't see the barrel date marks, unless the J on the right side by the inspector's stamp is the build date. I got really good pics of all the the writing in the link below. The finish was really old and dry. I rubbed it down with a rig rag, and it really cleaned up. But there are a ton of pics on the link below. I pulled off all the tatical crap, and just put the barrel with the heat shield back on with the simple aftermarked stock set. He said that this was the stock set that was on it when he got it. So I know that's not original. But what do you guys think? Military or not? Here is a link to tons of pics. http://s621.photobucket.com/albums/t...%20wingmaster/ I did research it some more and I guess the Marines were doing prototypes for the Mark 1 shotgun. All I can find is prototypes were made both with and without the heatshields. From a few internet sights, I guess this was done in the early 70's. This shotgun was made about 72-73 Remington said when I called them. So is it maybe an armory prototype that leaked into civi hands and had the stock set changed out at a later date?

Steve While you're busy making nice the tommygunner people, could you mention what Doug's book you're referrring to? :slap: Doug has a book on semi auto thompsons. In there is the drawlings on how to convert a 28a1 lower to fit a semi receiver. If you go to his website you can order it there. I might try tommygunner then. Pk was the one I was thinking of, I've always heard he was the best. Just couldn't remember his name. I wrote him and he is wait time is about a year.

Who all does the 28a1 frame modication so it will fit a semi thompson receiver and does a good job? I tried a search but didn't get any hits. I know the tommygunner website does it, but I think I remember hearing there are better people at it. Can't remember for sure. After looking at Dougs book it actually looks pretty simple. And I have a stripped 28a1 lower that would look pretty nice on my west hurley receiver. Thanks in advance. Steve

Finally got it off. I welded a long rod on the end of the grip mount to form a circle so I could hook my slide hammer to it, then I had to heat it with a butane torch for about five minutes and still took some elbow grease but it came out. What a pain in the butt. I threw that grip mount into the field as far as I could throw it. I don't know why Kahr/west hurley didn't use a 1/2'' grip mount from the beginning. Stupid if you ask me. Would have save me a lot of work.

Thanks Bob! I was just using a regualar slide hammer, but that gives me a little better idea. I will go out and see if I can manufacture something closer to that.

I can find a couple old links in the search, but all the links for pics are broken. Does anyone have pics of what needs machined to have tooless frame removal on the thompson semis? Mine's a west hurley if that makes a difference. It can't be very difficult.

Bought a west hurley semi today. With plans to make it a close semi Gi clone. Took the barrel off with no problems. But the grip mount is being a b@tch! I put the receiver btw two blocks of wood in the vice, and put a 3lb slide hammer hooked on the grip mount, nothing. Wouldn't budge. So I tried putting the grip mount bwt two blocks of wood in the vice and hit the nose of the receiver with a block of wood and 3lb sledge, nothing. I've tried pb blaster, heating it up, and still nothing. Did they do something from the factory to make those things stick in there? Anyone got any tricks. It's being a real butt.

The best one I have seen for Thompsons lately is the new movie Public Enemies with Johnny Depp. The movie wasn't good, and very innacurate as far as history goes. But I watched it several times just for the Thompsons and BAR's. It had a lot of closeups and a lot of 50rd mag dumps.

I've seen these clamps on WWII M1/M1A1 Thompsons in several pictures now. What are they? Is it for the sling swivel? I've never seen anything on them at all, just pictures. They sort of look cool. I might have to try to find one. lol Thanks. Steve http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt293/cplnorton2/thompsonwwii.jpg

I will take one! I will email you for payment info. Steve