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Got this deactivated M1928A1 today, it will be suspended from the ceiling with an L-drum. It came with a horizontal grip, but I like the looks of the vertical better. The vertical one looks old but a bit funky. The gun appears to have been heavily blasted, due to deep rusting or just plain poor workmanship, and then parkerized. Good enough for display.

 

Deactivation consists of cutting the bolt face at an angle and a welded bolt through the receiver and chamber.

 

Balder

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Very cool wall hanger. Weird that they put a sling swivel on top of the buttstock. Does anyone know if that was common? I've never seen it before.

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Very cool wall hanger. Weird that they put a sling swivel on top of the buttstock. Does anyone know if that was common? I've never seen it before.

 

Dolphinvet,

 

This was common procedure with Thompsons used by the Brits.

 

Balder

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British thing, so are the two brass screws on either side of the reinforcing bolt. I guess they put the screws in first and later added the bolt, maybe. They often put a swivel on either side of the vertical grip but I've never seen one squared off on both sides like that. I wonder if the butt stock has a patch on the bottom where the sling swivel was located originally? Nice gun.

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Very cool wall hanger. Weird that they put a sling swivel on top of the buttstock. Does anyone know if that was common? I've never seen it before.

 

Dolphinvet,

 

This was common procedure with Thompsons used by the Brits.

 

Balder

I learn something new everyday. :)

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The British and Commonwealth armies (e.g. Canada) often modified their Thompsons this way - moving the sling swivels. An image of the Canadian Army modification instruction sheet for this change is in Tracie Hill's book.

 

The reasons are that when the slings are on the underside, the weapon can be slung over the shoulder but it is not "ready" for instant action. By mounting the sling swivels on top of the butt and on the left side (usually) of the fore grip (be it vertical or horizontal), the Thompson Machine Carbine (as they originally called it) could be carried in the ready position with a sling over the shoulder, butt under the arm, hand on the pistol grip and muzzle pointing forwards. This modification would have started with the early deliveries of the 1928 Thompson guns to the British. The vertical fore grip did not have a sling swivel as delivered. You will see photos of Commando soldiers doing cliff climbing and river crossing on rope bridges with Thompsons slung so they had to be able to use a sling.

 

Have a look at the photo on the cover of THE SUPER COMMANDOS of the First Special Service Force soldier carrying an M1 or M1A1 Thompson in this position but with the sling swivels in the U.S. position underneath. It can easily be seen that the gun would tend to flip over to the right if he did not restrain it. Many years later in Vietnam some soldiers modified their M16 rifles with slings that went on both side of the butt and joined on top, and with the front attached to the mount for the front-sight to get a similar ready carry position.

 

My father was attached as a Lieutenant to No. 4 Commando but he refused to carry a Thompson. He preferred the Lee-Enfield rifle that he had salvaged after the Dieppe Raid when it was written off as damaged (I now have that rifle) partly because he was an expert shot (he outshot the unit's snipers who had the telescopic sights!) and partly because German snipers would target people carrying Thompsons as they were likely officers, NCOs or members of crew-served weapons.

 

Colin

 

 

 

Very cool wall hanger. Weird that they put a sling swivel on top of the buttstock. Does anyone know if that was common? I've never seen it before.

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Seaforth,

 

My "live" M1928 S-245XX was in one of the first batches of Thompsons delivered to the UK early 1940. It has the sling swivel mounted on the bottom of the butt stock.

 

Balder

 

 

.......This modification would have started with the early deliveries of the 1928 Thompson guns to the British. The vertical fore grip did not have a sling swivel as delivered. ....

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