Japanese MG's at Morphy's

[billie32]

selling my Japanese MG's at Morphy's. Type 100, 96, & 89 (TE4)

 

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=602545 (this gun has the original 1946 IRS paperwork that states it was "captured in combat in the pacific"

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=602637

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=602629

[BillyDixon]

that mg89 dont look like any ive seen, ive seen jap made exact copys of the german mg 15 , in cal 8mm mauser and will accept the german double drum, this looks more like a prototype, i wonder what the correct ID of it is ? just sayn

[GEJ]

The 89 is not a Prototype it is indeed a full scale production gun. However the gun was adopted in 1929 and the Type 89. Model TE4. The reason these don't come about is because these guns were bought by the Navy, and they were issued on Navy Bombers. The production rate was low on the 89 TE4s but they were phased out on the late early 40s due to the Type 89 Dual Flexiable machine guns and the later Dual 100s, and even If they did survive till mid to late war they would had have to survive getting shoot down over the Pacific ocean. Really cool Piece though. 

Edited May 5, 2024 by GEJ

[DWTX]

From what I know about the 89 (and I don't know much), it is operationally the same as a type 11 internally. Minus the hopper feed and using a pan feed similar to a DP28. Imagine a T11 laying on its left side with the gas piston on the left side of the barrel, that, the 89.

As far a Jap MGs go, they can be very well made with high quality parts. My experience is that the Jap Navy guns are much lower quality and the parts are all hand fitted. You see this with Jap Lewis guns and the Jap Type 1 (Navy version of MG15). For these guns, virtually nothing is interchangeable and it must be assembled/disassembled with a mallet. On the other hand Jap army guns are made to a much higher standard with regard to fit and finish. I have owned several and a good example is the Type 98 (MG15 Army issue). My gun is of the same quality as any German MG15. Although as the war entered late 1945, the quality, fit and finish of all guns deterioted markedly as the Japs were in survival mode and imminently losing the war

[GEJ]

On 6/26/2024 at 11:19 PM, DWTX said:

From what I know about the 89 (and I don't know much), it is operationally the same as a type 11 internally. Minus the hopper feed and using a pan feed similar to a DP28. Imagine a T11 laying on its left side with the gas piston on the left side of the barrel, that, the 89.

As far a Jap MGs go, they can be very well made with high quality parts. My experience is that the Jap Navy guns are much lower quality and the parts are all hand fitted. You see this with Jap Lewis guns and the Jap Type 1 (Navy version of MG15). For these guns, virtually nothing is interchangeable and it must be assembled/disassembled with a mallet. On the other hand Jap army guns are made to a much higher standard with regard to fit and finish. I have owned several and a good example is the Type 98 (MG15 Army issue). My gun is of the same quality as any German MG15. Although as the war entered late 1945, the quality, fit and finish of all guns deterioted markedly as the Japs were in survival mode and imminently losing the war

Your not wrong. You are right about the type 89 being a Sideways type 11. However there are a couple different versions. The one that sold was a TE4 Version which basically is the same as the Standard Type 89 That takes a Pie Shape magazine, but shoots 7.7 instead of 6.5 Plus the TE4 has a Bren Style of drum magazine. 

Edited July 3, 2024 by GEJ

[DWTX]

On 7/2/2024 at 7:37 PM, GEJ said:

Your not wrong. You are right about the type 89 being a Sideways type 11. However there are a couple different versions. The one that sold was a TE4 Version which basically is the same as the Standard Type 89 That takes a Pie Shape magazine, but shoots 7.7 instead of 6.5 Plus the TE4 has a Bren Style of drum magazine. 

Thanks, I learned something today. I'm never too old to learn.