CHICAGO TYPEWRITER Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I have a problem with gun I bought. I'm almost certain that the receiver will have to be replaced as it is not centered to the barrel and too deep. The front of bolt has worn on the top right corner, down though about half way though the lip were the bullet seats. It is also slowly wearing away at the receiver. Almost certainly a factory defect. However because of it’s age Kahr will not help me. I’ve taken it around to several places around town and been told to dump it now while it still works. No one will work on it because it is aluminum. Does any one know how/what I should do to fix it? Or is it terminal? Those two pieces pretty much make up the gun. it's over $600 if I buy the parts though Numrich and do the work myself. I'm not trying to be nasty but It cost me big dollars new back in ' 99. I could almost have another new one by the time I repair this one. So can you see the quandary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I would email PK and ask his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 CT, Sounds bad http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif , and I agree with Sig- ask PK, if anyone here knows what to do, it would be him. If you do get another, I suggest getting a steel receiver version- much more durable in the long run, even though the weight will increase. If worse comes to worse, the aluminum version could be a wall hanger. I hope PK (or others) know of a way to fix your gun. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adlake Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 CHICAGO TYPEWRITER God man I feel your pain. I dropped my hard earned cash on my Kahr in 99-00. I when thru 3 bolts during the warrenty sent in twice and 400 rounds later. Cracked and chipped bolt face. Kahr after the warrenty didn't want to take my calls. Or own up to a defect that is theres. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/soapbox.gif It seems hopeless to even drop another $102.oo bucks or whatever they cost now, for another bolt and get if lucky- 600 rounds thru it. Wonder if I should get a m-1 bolt and modify it. My Kahr is like a 73 buick or a old refrigerator, It adorns my front yard, er my wall. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif There really is a need for a market that pruduces semi autos that works, looks good, and runs-novelty. for the folks who don't have a endless bank account or live in a states that sucks on gun laws. God I hope I win the lottery. Oct1971 you got my business than. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif adlake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 QUOTE (adlake @ Dec 28 2006, 04:47 PM)CHICAGO TYPEWRITER   God man I feel your pain. I dropped my hard earned cash on my Kahr in 99-00. I when thru 3 bolts during the warrenty sent in twice and 400 rounds later. Cracked and chipped bolt face. Kahr after the warrenty didn't want to take my calls. Or own up to a defect that is theres. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/soapbox.gif   It seems hopeless to even drop another $102.oo bucks or whatever they cost now, for another bolt and get if lucky- 600 rounds thru it. Wonder if I should get a m-1 bolt and modify it.    My Kahr is like a 73 buick or a old refrigerator, It adorns my front yard, er my wall. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif    There really is a need for a market that pruduces semi autos that works, looks good, and runs-novelty. for the folks who don't have a endless bank account or live in a states that sucks on gun laws.        God I hope I win the lottery. Oct1971 you got my business than. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif adlake adlake, This my be your lucky day afterall. I do not have any of the "Swetnam" stickers left, but I do have and older (early or mid-80s) WH 27A1 M1 bolt w/ firingpin you can have. If you can have the hole drilled on top for your 27A1 cocking knob, then it should work fine. It is not a Kahr made bolt; it was made by WH. I don't know if the quality is any better, but you are welcome to it if you think it will help- NO CHARGE! E-mail me if you are intrested. It is in very good shape and looks to used very little. I got it in a box of parts I bought years ago, and it is just collecting dust. I hate to see a Tommy sitting and doing nothing. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adlake Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Norm Thank you!! What else can I say but "email sent."-adlake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICAGO TYPEWRITER Posted December 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE A RECEIVER NO EXTRA CHARGE DO YA? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 CT, Sorry, no receiver http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif . I do have a trigger frame for a WH27 M1. It came with the bolt. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Just thinking outloud, but I wonder if you milled a couple small channels in the aluminum of the receiver (top and sides) then you could put a couple thin steel shims in those channels for the bolt to ride on. Should be able to get the bolt to line up again that way. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICAGO TYPEWRITER Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 CUSTOMER UN-SERVICE AT IT'S BEST! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/banghead.gif I have to vent and post this exchange and let you see the quality that AO/Kahr stands behind - (Complely behind, out the way - behind wall - wearing protective - gear down the street - it's ok now I'm completly out of harms way when that thing goes off - behind you customer service!) Read the exchange as follows: Warning possible side effects include: nausia; vomiting and possible sympathy pains followed by headache. Dear Bob, The gun is definitely not worth fixing. The parts alone will cost the same $600 that Numrich charges. Moreover, we cannot sell you a receiver. You must send the gun in for repair and our labor would be about $150 and shipping another $25. Additionally, it would have a new serial number that would have to be registered. Regards, Dottie Herold Customer Care Manager Kahr Arms 130 Goddard Memorial Drive Worcester, MA 01603 Phone: 508-635-1440 Email: dherold@saeilo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Denton To: Dorothy Herold Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Receiver question Can you give me a ball park now? I'd rather dump it now while it still works than spend a bunch of money on it. I'm almost certain that the receiver will have to be replaced as it is not centered to the barrel and too deep. The front of bolt has worn on the top right corner, down though about half way though the lip were bullet seats. Those two pieces pretty much make up the gun. it's over $600 if I buy the parts though Numrich and do the work myself. I'm not trying to be nasty but It cost me $800 dollars new back in ' 99 and I've only shot it about 1000 times. I could almost have another new one by the time I repair this one. So can you see the quandary? Also if the receiver was replaced would the original serial number be placed on the receiver or would a different number be placed on it? Thanks again, Bob Dorothy Herold wrote: If it is a Kahr manufactured piece, we will certainly work on it for you, but because the gun is way out of warranty, there will be a charge. I am not cerain what that is, but we can call you before working on it to give you a price. I will need your address, phone number, and serial number in order to issue a return authorization number. Regards, Dottie Herold Customer Care Manager Kahr Arms 130 Goddard Memorial Drive Worcester, MA 01603 Phone: 508-635-1440 Email: dherold@saeilo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Denton To: Dorothy Herold Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Receiver question I have a few questions if you have a moment. I have one of the first that Kahr manufactured. It was manufactured on 12/13/99 The receiver has been milled incorrectly. The bolt it rubbing up on the top and side of the receiver (its about 1/10" off center and too deep). It's is wearing away at both parts significantly. I've taken it to several repair places and they will not work on it as they say they don't know if they could fix it because it "looks" like it is a manufacturer's defect. I've been told it will be unsafe to fire before long. What can you do to help me if anything? Thanks Again, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprat Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Hi hofefully you didn't spend much on it, Thinking out loud and and treading on water. as I am new here. I have done lots of work on aluminum receivers but not thompsons for yourself or me if it where me if the channels inside are heavily worn you could splice some channels as suggested above. if the channels are only slighly out of wack, strip the receiver and have it anodized, sounds like they didn't anodize it properly/throughly, a steel bolt gringing on a lightly anodized aluminum receiver(bolt Carrier) sounds like the problem. After several heavy coats, the anodizing will build up the surface and further protect the receiver. or if really out of wack (don't laugh folks, this works) JB weld , find the areas worn and build them up again in a smooth layer. let set up then with a covered bolt in plastic wrap reform the channel proper until throughly dry and send out to Anodize. the JB will anodize, you can anodize in flat black or any color really I suppose a really really good aluminum welder could do the same if careful sprat either way remove barrel and grip mount, extractor degrease 5 -6 times your favorite method I have a guy in VA who is good $ 50-75 a piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 QUOTE Moreover, we cannot sell you a receiver. That's bu!!$#!t. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/banghead.gif I bought a receiver (trough my FFL) two years ago- brand new and directly from Kahr. The cost was a little over $400. It had a serial number and had to have the paperwork done as if buying a complete gun. I recently sold the receiver to a board member because I was not going to use it. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adlake Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Sound like another happy Kahr customer! Look man, I am sorry of your experiance but again I feel your pain. You got anyone who trusts a large corp. to supply a working product when you buy it. Or to stand buy it when it craps out. If Hillery or the Demos should do anything go after the deadbeat companys. If it comes out of the chute retarted-SEND IT BACK KAHR! Dont sell it to consumers. I also at the same time bought a 1911a1 from them that sucked mothballs as well. I shot the pistol like on round 34 the plunger tube and springs flew off! I ended up spending another 200 to 300. bucks working it up to a decend shooter. Ok I replaced the barrel and other cosmetics as well. What I love was the laughing on the phone from these guys. (Kahr.) How unprofessional!!!!!!! Sorry I'll shut up now and go back to the corner and read posts again http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/soapbox.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif -adlake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICAGO TYPEWRITER Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) Thanks, for the help guys, I"m still P.O'ed about the whole deal and will probably just think on it for a while cause I don't know what I'm gonig to do about it. Does anyone know if their are other manufacturers of functioning semi receivers? Edited January 10, 2007 by CHICAGO TYPEWRITER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 I will soon have an 80% machined 4140 steel Thompson receiver in the West Hurley/Kahr pattern with the appropriate steps for the semi trigger frame, shorter actuator slot, etc. Eventually I plan to have 100% receivers in this pattern for rebuilds or upgrades. I am confident these receivers will be stronger, and of higher quality, fit, and finish than the West Hurley and Kahr offerings. Bob/Philly O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancer Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Bob Will you be offering an M-1 style version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Yes, we will be doing the M1 pattern as well. My sample guns are the M1927A1 pattern but I'll get some M1's as well. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE (reconbob @ Jan 10 2007, 08:23 PM) I will soon have an 80% machined 4140 steel Thompson receiver in the West Hurley/Kahr pattern with the appropriate steps for the semi trigger frame, shorter actuator slot, etc. Eventually I plan to have 100% receivers in this pattern for rebuilds or upgrades. I am confident these receivers will be stronger, and of higher quality, fit, and finish than the West Hurley and Kahr offerings. Bob/Philly O Bob, I am glad to hear that you will making semi-auto receivers. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif This will be great for people who are sick of Kahr. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Bob-- Since these will be 80% semi design, can we engrave reproduction Savage or Colt markings on them? What would be required for the owner to make them 100%. Also, have you thought of building them to fit the 28 trigger frame? Thanks Chicago-- I really hate that you had such a terrible defect. Unfortunately, it doesn't allow for any good options, short of replacement. I also had a lot of problems with my new Kahr 27. I sent it back to the factory twice, for all the usual misfiring problems. When it malfunctioned again, I finally sent it to Damon (at Tommygunner) for a complete overhaul and it has run perfectly ever since. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICAGO TYPEWRITER Posted January 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 QUOTE (reconbob @ Jan 10 2007, 08:23 PM) I will soon have an 80% machined 4140 steel Thompson receiver in the West Hurley/Kahr pattern with the appropriate steps for the semi trigger frame, shorter actuator slot, etc. Eventually I plan to have 100% receivers in this pattern for rebuilds or upgrades. I am confident these receivers will be stronger, and of higher quality, fit, and finish than the West Hurley and Kahr offerings. Bob/Philly O When do you think you might have the 100% receivers ready to go? What kind of time table are you looking at? You will have at least one customer! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Regarding questions about the proposed Phila Ord WH/Kahr pattern receivers: I can engrave the 80% receivers with the same markings we offer now, which are correct for M1928 or M1928A1. I'm not sure about 100% receivers. Obviously we can do the engraving, but since a 100% receiver would be a firearm, I believe that to put another manufacturers markings on the receiver would constitute counterfeiting. Plus they would have to be marked Phila Ord anyway. I guess they could be marked Phila Ord in some out of the way place and have the original markings for show, but I can't say if that would be allowable,although I think they do something like that with the M1919A4 Browning semi-auto sideplates. I can machine the receiver to accept the G.I. frame, although to be honest I'm not clear on all of the benefits/legality of doing so. I'm sure someone can post this info. The Thompson 80% production line (boy I worry about saying this) is running smoothly now and we are catching up on orders. So if all continues to go well we could, maybe, be looking at sometime in the spring for the semi pattern. Bob/Philly O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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