Sig Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Anyone ever heard of a Thompson nickel bolt with an R stamped on back? I know of S stamped, but have not seen or heard of an R stamped. Guy claims he was told it was a Replacement Colt Bolt. Seems odd since the other parts are S stamped such as the actuator and blish lock. michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAS1921AC Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Sig, The R stamp indicates Remington mfg. The other manufacturers are as follows: S for Savage, AOC for Auto Ordnance, and P for Petroleum Heat and Power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 What I figured not Colt, I must run from it as fast as possible!!! I have only seen/heard of a S stamped nickel bolt, so this is different enough to warrant a collectors interest. thanks michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimFromFL Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Not sure how many people "collect parts". I do stock-pile some of the parts that may wear more than others. Someone may pay just a few bucks more but would doubt double or anything like that. (just my 2 cents) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1921 Gangsta Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 I got one of those "R" marked dull nickel bolts in the 1928a1 kit i bought from R-Guns. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif Is there anything rare or special about these? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/huh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nothing special, just. I have seen so many collections of various TSMG stuff it would not surprise me to see someone collect all the different bolts made by different manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK. Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 They are not nickel, they are steel. I can't believe how this myth endures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1921 Gangsta Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 QUOTE (PK. @ Dec 11 2006, 11:04 PM) They are not nickel, they are steel. I can't believe how this myth endures. PK , do you mean they are 'in the white" bare metal with no finish at all? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif Mine has no rust on it , this is why i thought it was nickel. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 PK Yes they are steel but I have never seen them referred to as anything else. If something else becomes the standard description for these parts, I would be happy to use that. michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK. Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 1921: Yes, they are “in the whiteâ€. Sig: It’s a pet peeve of mine, I wasn’t taking a personal shot at you. The term “nickel†has been widely used as you note, but to the degradation of truth in my opinion. Many really believe these parts were made of nickel or were nickel plated. We both know they were not, and I refuse to perpetrate the myth. The term “bright†is being used much more frequently regarding these parts and is certainly a better descriptive of their actual nature. I hope it completely eliminates the reference to nickel in the future. Call me petty if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 I've seen so many period photos of GI's in combat with "bright" bolts that I still wonder if they were not coated with something. I know how hard it is to keep a barrel bright like the Brits did during the Rev. War (re-enactor for 20 yrs) with usage and exposure making the surface of the barrel dull and grey.... I don't see how the GI's could have kept them so shiney in a combat stuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 PK Not petty at all OK you got me Say it 3 times Michael Bright bolt Bright bolt Bright bolt Won't forget it now michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK. Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hawkeye, keep in mind that the part you see is in constant abrasive contact with the receiver when fired, continually cleaning itself of any surface corrosion that would seriously dull it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 QUOTE (PK. @ Dec 12 2006, 10:46 PM)Hawkeye, keep in mind that the part you see is in constant abrasive contact with the receiver when fired, continually cleaning itself of any surface corrosion that would seriously dull it. Yes PK .. I thought of that but the entire surface of the bolt is not in contact with the inside of the receiver. I'm not saying you are wrong or that it is nickel or that it is coated. I'll go along with Phil on second thought in that my Sten bolt is bright metal and shows little sign of corrosion since he brought it to my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland, Headless Thompson Gunner Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Ok, excuse my naivete, but is a nickel rotor made of nickel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warguns Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) Nickel is an alloy Silvery white resistance to chemical and atmospheric corrosion, added to the steel in varying amounts, some 1912 Winchesters were made of a high percentage of nickel contain and the bluing just didn’t hold up. I’m sure some Thompson’s bolts had a high percentage of nickel so no finish was required. This was not a nickel plating process. Edited December 13, 2006 by warguns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 If a tin whistle is made out of tin, what do they make a fog horn from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 QUOTE (Merry Ploughboy @ Dec 13 2006, 06:51 PM) If a tin whistle is made out of tin, what do they make a fog horn from? NICKEL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Baker Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Warguns, how would one know if a Model 12 Winchester was of the higher nickle content? My father still has his father's Model 12 and it has been a dark gray since he got it in the early 60's. Oh, and my 28 has the bright bolt-shinier than any nickel I've ever earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adlake Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Well since were on this subject. Is the blued bolts are they the "bright" bolts, just blued? How about the firing pins? Same senairo whith them as well? If thats the case perhaps just removal of the blueing will result in a "bright bolt/pin". Thanks all-adlake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 adlake At the last All Thompson Show and Shoot I did see a Thompson bolt that was originally blue (carbonia) and had this removed to reveal a "bright bolt". see I can say bbbb bright bolt! I believe the correct term for the finish is carbonia. Carbonia michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 I can comment on Paul's work. Yes it is R.G.S. Restorations, Paul owns it I believe. Personal experience and that of another TSMG collector. I had a drum refinished, the C drum in question had NO finish so of little concern regarding value impact. The work on the drum was excellent and expensive, but took a very long time, so patience is required. Drum looks as nice as it runs and is my shooter drum until a Kahr (gasp) drum becomes available that works. The other collector sent in a Colt Navy pistol, again the same issues as mine. So I am glad you found the website informative. I believe R.G.S. to be at the top of the game on firearm restoration, just be prepared to pay for that quality work and also do not be in a rush if you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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