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#21 Haenelistklasse

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 01:10 PM

There is a Mauser 44 p38. Probably 98%---i find it amazing the quality it has for 1944 compared to my other 1944's..it must be early 44....the sauer is pretty darn nice too, but has the safety eliminated to save $$...

Most of my guns are 1944. Most late 44

 

here;s by beretta..very late 1944...i was told only a few thousand made it after mine before production stopped...pic #2 notice it looks like a hammer hit the frames serial # and the slide is turning purple, but the finish looks to be 100% original...id rate it 97%+..............interesting how a gun can be so ugly, yet correct and very little finish wear..its an odd ball for sure..might have never been fired even it looks like new inside..no holster wear...just a bit of high edge wear...its oiled up pretty good, so keep this in mind why you see it looking shiny...its rem oil

 

hard to keep producing berettas when your getting bombed weekly.... 

 

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Wow! That is a really nice Beretta. It is amazing the quality they could still produce under horrible conditions. My serial number is a bit earlier than yours. Mine is Serial #552383. So maybe mine is early 44 and yours is late 44. Mine also has the plum finish and is nice but yours is nicer than mine. I would like to hear the story of how you picked it up if you don't mind. Story time is always the best time. Take care and thank you for posting, Haenelistklasse


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#22 huggytree

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 01:18 PM

Gunbroker. Ive got capture papers

Its obviously a reject gun in any time before 44. I havent shot it yet but seems to function. Ive never seen one with a misshaped frame have you?

Got a fair price on it. I think most are turned off by the crude frame. Its original so to me its history

Probably taken off a 12 year old Nazi who surrendered after peeing his pants
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Posted 19 February 2019 - 07:06 PM

You want the Astra 600/43, the one in 9mm Luger made during WWII under German contract. Or, if pure unobtanium floats your boat, the Astra 800 Condor, which is the updated Astra 600 with some nice design changes, including a more ergonomic grip, external hammer, mag release button, relocated safety, and a far better trigger release. It also did away with the magazine trigger interlock, and added a P.38 style loaded cartridge indicator. Few were imported into the US. They do show up from time to time, but are expensive. They're really beautifully made.

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 08:29 PM

I want a WAa stamped Astra 600

Serial 1-10,500

Ive seen 2 I would have bought but someone beat me to it

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 09:24 PM

There's some confusion here. You want an Astra 600/43, 9mm Parabellum, WaA stamped, serial number 10,450 or less:

 

 http://www.tague.at/...en_astra600.htm

 

Higher serial numbers are the same gun, but won't have WaA markings. These were delivered to West Germany post-war. The Germans actually paid the Spanish for the second tranche twice, once in Reichmarks, and again post war with Bundesmarks.


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Posted 19 February 2019 - 09:34 PM

No WAa , no history

Collection is about history
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Posted 19 February 2019 - 11:27 PM

No WAa , no history

Collection is about history

 

Well, maybe on the Astra 600, but not everything.  It is widely accepted the Nazis didn't put WaA stamps on the Norwegian M1914s until 1945.  Doesn't mean they didn't use the ones made after Nazi occupation in 1940.  If you see a waffenamt on a M1914 prior to 1945, it's all but certainly a fake.

 

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In fact, even Astra 400 pistols the the Nazis bought, and were delivered, were not waffenamt marked.  The widely accepted serial number range for that contract was 92851-98850.

 

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#28 huggytree

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Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:18 PM

Norwegian 1911 isnt on my list. You could find 20
Obscure German pistols. Sticking to the main ones.

4ut or WAa only

I assume most Norwegians are fake marked. Ive seen a few.
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Posted 20 February 2019 - 05:04 PM

Well, there ya go.  As Ma used to say, "Everyone has their own particular tastes.  That's why there's chocolate, vanilla and tuitti fruiti." 


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Posted 20 February 2019 - 08:24 PM

if your collecting war guns then you collect war guns....a astra 600 without the WAa is not a war gun...there is a reason the WAa stamped guns are worth 2-3x as much...history they contain

 

theres a reason the CMP 1911's are so popular when you can buy a 2019 remington 1911 for $500 that will out shoot it...history


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 12:22 AM

Norwegian m1914 pistols where only waffenamt marked in 1945. I think only about 8- 900 pistols
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Posted 21 February 2019 - 02:41 AM

I don't disagree about the Astra 600.  But you are just wrong if you think the Norwegian M1914, Astra 400, numerous DSM models, etc. are not war guns and have no history.  They may not be what you want, but it doesn't make them any less historic.  Regarding value, an all matching M1914 from the war years without a waffenamt is worth twice what your desired waffenamt marked Astra 600 is worth.


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 08:02 AM

no i get it.....i can go on and buy 10 more pistols+ to get a 100% complete collection...theres at least 1 other french gun...a mauser 1914, etc,etc,etc

 

ive got all the major/common ones and will end it with the astra...or else ill have $15,000 more into this collection


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Posted 23 February 2019 - 09:42 PM

Do you have a French 1935A yet?

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 09:25 AM

no french 1935a...hard to find one thats not 80% or less...i see some fake stamped too....they are similar to the swiss P210 i believe

 

i had a chance at a french Unique that was pretty nice, but it was right on the edge for me price wise and not as high quality as i collect so i passed on it...sadly that was still the best one ive seen

 

i cant remember the name but i do own a french version of the browning 1922...kinda neat, the finish is almost a bronze/gray

 

all my guns function as well....i may have 1 more coming soon- ill take another group shot again


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 11:24 AM

Your French pistol might be a MAB Model D.  I believe I see one in your picture, 3rd row between the Radom and FN 1922.

 

Which Unique, the Model 16, Model 17 or the Kriegsmodell?


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 02:04 PM

yes model d

 

a beautiful gun....the finish is really interesting...i wonder how they accomplished the tint it has...or maybe its just how the finish has aged

 

unique model 17...could have had a decent one for i think around $650-700.....its a bit more than i like to pay for a .32, but i have paid up to $800 for ones that are 99-98% condition....every model 17 i see is about 40% finish or less...all ugly as heck...

 

the 1935a are a very hard find...ive seen them with obvious/fresh WAa stamps....not sure if ive seen one thats authentic 

 

 

my jewel is still my 1937 luger....its 99%...looks like brand new....all matching and correct.....only shot it once..

 

i wouldnt mind a couple of Japanese guns too...also like the early 1900's Hungarian ones too..ammo is too much of a problem and i wont own a gun that i cant shoot.

 

wish i had a display room/office.....i envy people who have walk in safes. i know a few on this forum do


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 10:07 AM

was able to grab a nice astra for a fair price...i think i may still grab a Unique number 17 if one shows up nice enough, but otherwise my collection is done

 

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Posted 25 March 2019 - 08:51 PM

Another MAB really worth having is the PA-15. Beautifuly made, superb accuracy and trigger, as much a classic (IMHO) as the High Power or P-210. You also need a WWII Canadian Chinese contract tangent sight Inglis P-35 with the shoulder stock. 


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