michaelkih Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Just curious as I know that many of us here own them. Also, they are so weird and interesting. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 I don't own anything Japanese, but I would like to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 maybe because not many designs were made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 I just saw a Japanese type 99? firing away at a MG shoot today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 >maybe because not many designs were made< Few of the many, many Japanese manufactured MGs are in the NFRTR in the US, with most registered exmaples being T96 and T99 LMGs and T92 HMGs. Japnese made Lewis ground and aircraft LMGs are in the registry in palatable numbers as well. The Japanese produced copies of many European types of MGs including the Maxim and Vickers and also manufactured a copy of the US Browning .50s. A number of twenty mm MGs were made. A variety of very unusual subguns were manufactured as well as inteesting and unusual MGs for fighter and bomber defense. A close copy of the German MG15 was made in large numbers both a Navy and an Army configuration.The T97 LMG for tank mounting is a close copy of the Czech ZB26. Nambu was the most prolific designer and the Japanese MGs in the US are to a great extent Nambu designs.The Japanese MGs are very high quality of excellent materials and very reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 >maybe because not many designs were made< Few of the many, many Japanese manufactured MGs are in the NFRTR in the US, with most registered exmaples being T96 and T99 LMGs and T92 HMGs. Japnese made Lewis ground and aircraft LMGs are in the registry in palatable numbers as well.The Japanese produced copies of many European types of MGs including the Maxim and Vickers and also manufactured a copy of the US Browning .50s. A number of twenty mm MGs were made. A variety of very unusual subguns were manufactured as well as inteesting and unusual MGs for fighter and bomber defense.A close copy of the German MG15 was made in large numbers both a Navy and an Army configuration.The T97 LMG for tank mounting is a close copy of the Czech ZB26.Nambu was the most prolific designer and the Japanese MGs in the US are to a great extent Nambu designs.The Japanese MGs are very high quality of excellent materials and very reliable.Exactly. They are good and super cool guns. I always wondered why so few made it into the registry when compared to the European guns. That to me makes them even more interesting. Anyways, a section to discuss these amazing guns here would be awesome. I also want to see what Bob has I just bought a matching and very nice Type 11, and wish there was a good place for us to discuss and learn more about these guns. One day I would also like to add a matching 96 or 99 to the collection as well. I had to get the Type 11 first incase I can only get 1 of them since it's so weird and interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Japanese para type 100 SMG. This is just a miniature replica but the pics show the interesting design.http://www.waynedriskillminiatures.com/miniature-firearms/tim-olson-12-scale-japanese-type-100-folding-paratroop-sub-machine-gun/?portfolioID=44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) Quite a few years ago I bought one of the Russian mini Maxim 1910s since I have built over thirty of them as transferables using registered MG08 sideplates and am still building them. These little guns are magical they are so beautifully and accurately made. Too bad no more are being made, but their prices have gone way up as a result.The breakdown T100 is a gem. The MG34 with the Lafette is beyond belief! Edited June 3, 2018 by Black River Militaria CII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Mainly because all Japanese stuff is at the bottom rung of collectability and that includes the MG's. I endured a 20 min rant from Hayes one day about how all the Jap collectors are cheapskates, the stuff is junk, etc. I was buying something totally unrelated, but he did have a number of valid points? I don't have any Japanese guns at all in my collection for a number of reasons including collectability, availability of ammo, relatively poor quality/fit/ finish when compared with other guns from other countries, lack of spare parts on the market. Can't pin it down exactly, but I have zero interest in the stuff? Maybe because I still have a bunch of German guns I'd still like to have and those would be the first choice? Most collectors I know have the same opinions (valid or not) as I do and pricing seems to reflect this? I cut up a 99 and didn't feel half as bad as I did when I cut a home built illegal sten? HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 >maybe because not many designs were made Few of the many, many Japanese manufactured MGs are in the NFRTR in the US, with most registered exmaples being T96 and T99 LMGs and T92 HMGs. Japnese made Lewis ground and aircraft LMGs are in the registry in palatable numbers as well.The Japanese produced copies of many European types of MGs including the Maxim and Vickers and also manufactured a copy of the US Browning .50s. A number of twenty mm MGs were made. A variety of very unusual subguns were manufactured as well as inteesting and unusual MGs for fighter and bomber defense.A close copy of the German MG15 was made in large numbers both a Navy and an Army configuration.The T97 LMG for tank mounting is a close copy of the Czech ZB26.Nambu was the most prolific designer and the Japanese MGs in the US are to a great extent Nambu designs.The Japanese MGs are very high quality of excellent materials and very reliable.Exactly, most of the Japanese copies are covered, very few original designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted June 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Mainly because all Japanese stuff is at the bottom rung of collectability and that includes the MG's. I endured a 20 min rant from Hayes one day about how all the Jap collectors are cheapskates, the stuff is junk, etc. I was buying something totally unrelated, but he did have a number of valid points? I don't have any Japanese guns at all in my collection for a number of reasons including collectability, availability of ammo, relatively poor quality/fit/ finish when compared with other guns from other countries, lack of spare parts on the market. Can't pin it down exactly, but I have zero interest in the stuff? Maybe because I still have a bunch of German guns I'd still like to have and those would be the first choice? Most collectors I know have the same opinions (valid or not) as I do and pricing seems to reflect this? I cut up a 99 and didn't feel half as bad as I did when I cut a home built illegal sten? HTHVery incorrect, and anyone that actually owns Japanese MGs will agree. They aren't junk. And the fit and finish of the guns except for late war guns aren't bad. And many buyers of them aren't cheapskates at all including myself, and have plenty of other guns in their collections from other countries including myself. But whatever, I just think they are super neat, and neat and weird is always cool to discuss. It's always great to learn about new MGs even if you are interested in the platform or not. I also enjoy discussing about my Colt Thompson, MG42, M60, MG34, MP44, BAR, Sten, MP40, M3A1, FG42, MP38, Lanchester, Mini Uzi, BREN MK1, PPsH41, Uzi, MP5s, M16s, AKs, RPD, etc, and would just love to discuss the Japanese guns as well. This is my favorite machine gun forum, with the most mature and experienced crowd in my opinion, so it'd just be cool to discuss them here. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted June 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Mainly because all Japanese stuff is at the bottom rung of collectability and that includes the MG's. I endured a 20 min rant from Hayes one day about how all the Jap collectors are cheapskates, the stuff is junk, etc. I was buying something totally unrelated, but he did have a number of valid points? I don't have any Japanese guns at all in my collection for a number of reasons including collectability, availability of ammo, relatively poor quality/fit/ finish when compared with other guns from other countries, lack of spare parts on the market. Can't pin it down exactly, but I have zero interest in the stuff? Maybe because I still have a bunch of German guns I'd still like to have and those would be the first choice? Most collectors I know have the same opinions (valid or not) as I do and pricing seems to reflect this? I cut up a 99 and didn't feel half as bad as I did when I cut a home built illegal sten? HTH I meant to say, there is nothing wrong with you having zero interest in Japanese of course. haha. We all have opinions. I'm glad actually. It keeps these bad ass MGs cheaper for us that like them. Just trying to point out that a lot of what you are saying is not correct. The calibers do suck to find though. That is a FACT that I have to agree with, but is easily fixed by just reloading, and that's fun, cheap, and easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Those are quotes from Hayes (many of which I agree with). Many parts do not interchange so there are compatibility issues thus dimensional tolerances from one mfr to another which translates to quality. They are not cheap just because I have no interest in them, it's the market, not me. I have all the same guns and then some and probably one of the prime factors is that they all need to have commercially available ammo to allow me to shoot them (even though I have a lot guns I've not fired yet)…...so maybe that's a large part of it? I don't have the time to reload at this point, but all the stuff is here up to a progressive 20mm press, but that's all future capacity. Post some pics and continue the discussion and maybe I'll gain some interest? A few more guys get interested and then we can run the prices up. When I got into collecting military stuff I started with MG's. I've since been working backwards and filling out the collection with bolt action rifles. I'm working my way back to black powder at some point. I had an M134 before I had a Garand which seems sort of crazy, but that's just how it worked out. Indeed, it's a good forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 If you want a Japanese section instead of taking this indirect route to one, message the page owner, David Albert, and simply ask him to add one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 If you want a Japanese section instead of taking this indirect route to one, message the page owner, David Albert, and simply ask him to add one. Yep, that's the way to do it. Japanese Machine Guns forum has been added... David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted June 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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