badger Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Approximately 13 years ago I purchased a West Hurley 1927A1 new in box,Had numerous issues with it and sold it. I am again considering purchasing another semi auto variant but am hesitant due to the issues that Kahr has exhibited in their product,And their lackluster customer service reputation. The two paths I am considering in picking up a newer Kahr model 1927A1 with the detachable stock, Or picking up a used West Hurley/Kahr and having it worked over (shortened barrel to 16",M1928A1 lower,bolt hold open,ect). What on average,May I ask does it usually cost to have one redone in this fashion? I would much prefer to go either with an original Thompson,Or a semi SBR "Thompson" but as I live in Washington State,This is not an option. Thank you very much for your assistance and input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Badger, Check your PM Weasel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfafan Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 First off, let's face it; a semi-TSMG is nothing but a novel fun-gun. We're here to have fun with these, not deer hunt with them, so in that respect - we're all already off the practicality charts, so go fo it if you want some fun shooting. As for a Kahr "TSMG"; I had nothing but good experiences with Kahr cust support. I bought an AOC 1927A1C deluxe in the mid-90s, and promptly put it in the back of the safe, pretty much for almost a decade. Layoff and job-loss, under-employment, reduced income - bunch of factors to take me away from the range for a lonnnng time. Years later, with AOC gone and now under Kahr, I finally dragged my still-NIB AOC out to the range. Had a HUGE issue that made it a worthless paperweight in under 50rds. Contacted Kahr, explained the situation politely, sent digi-pics - they helped me out at no cost at all. They couldv'e been nasty but were not. Months later, I buy one of the now-legal 50rd drums; one of the much maligned Kahr drums in a Gunbroker buy with no over-the-counter sales receipt. Had an issue, contacted Kahr support, swapped drums - new one runs fine. I personally would not hesitate to buy a Kahr "TSMG" if I were suddenly to be in the market for another. I've seen 'em up close and the wood alone is MUCHO better than the AOC "slabs" mine has. I'd get a detachable-stock 1927 in a heartbeat. Well, maybe after a coin-flip for the "TSMG" pistol. JM2cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I have had one transaction with Kahr. The barrel bushing of my AOC Pit Bull broke. I called AOC, and got a message that Kahr had bought them. Called Kahr and spoke to a woman in parts. Ordered the part, and paid with my credit card right then (part was about 8 dollars, shipping was 13). A month later, when the part had not arrived, I called again, and got a recording saying that Kahr did not take parts orders over the phone, and I would have to send a letter. I sent the letter to the attention of the woman I bought the part from. Nothing. A month later I sent another letter, to the attention of the president of Kahr, and mentioned how I would hate to get an attorney involved. The part arrived in about 2 weeks, although I never heard anything from Kahr. Not, "I'm sorry", not, "Our bad", not, "Oops", not even, "Kiss off". I feel that you should not have to wait two months and threaten a lawsuit to get what you paid for. I have no intention of dealing with them again, if I can help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrent Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I was also looking for a semi not long ago --I found old posts on different forums ---couldn't decide if I should believe the Kahrs rule or Kahrs are junk or the same concerning the West Hurleys ---I finally bought a West Hurley on line ----wasn't all that pleased when the "low" serial number indicated the gun was made in 1997 ---middle of ban, just before Kahr bought and fixed all the West Hurleys but turns out the thing runs like a top ---- at 25 yards it is right on --never failed to feed; never failed to fire; never failed to do anything maybe I just live right, have good karma, lucky son of a gun ---or maybe there are a bunch more good guns out there and a lot of the stuff you mind find on the 'net is just wrong good luck I adjusted the rear sight --that's why there are two sets of holes: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/gsdlvr/uploads/Thompson1927A1target1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badger Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Thank you very much Gentlemen for your input and opinions,I value them! If for some reason I do decide to go with a new Kahr model can I replace the rear sight assembly with an original Lyman assembly just utilizing the original screw method of attachment? If I settled on one of the Kahr guns that would be something I would like to immediately upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippje Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Thank you very much Gentlemen for your input and opinions,I value them! If for some reason I do decide to go with a new Kahr model can I replace the rear sight assembly with an original Lyman assembly just utilizing the original screw method of attachment? If I settled on one of the Kahr guns that would be something I would like to immediately upgrade. A few years ago I purchased a 1927a1 from one of the members of this board. It was the delux model. I love it. It runs great and I haven't had any issues with it. I purchased a horizontal foregrip from Dan Block and I am very happy with that as well. I still need to get the barrel shortend but I still have almost three more years in Germany so that will have to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddydog Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) I, too, have a ban-period West Hurley 1927-A1 Deluxe and have had no problems with it (that were not ammo related, anyway). I bought it used and it came with one 30-round stick and one 10-round drum. I just received a "Crosby-repro" L drum, but have not yet fired it. (incidentally, how can I determine exactly when mine was made...is there a published list? Call Kahr? Buy a book?) I have considered having the barrel shortened, too, but it looks like it will only end up where the Cutts starts now. I'm not sure it is worth it for such a small shortening (in WA, too, so no SBR). What about the other mods you mention? What do they "do" for you? I'd like mine to COCK a little easier and maybe put on a horizontal forend, but that would probably do it for me! Rob Edited February 12, 2009 by Teddydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbow Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 You'll have fun with a 1927a1. It's really doesn't matter if you get a WH or a Kahr semi. They are both good guns for the most part. WH gun has their share of problem just like the Kahr guns. I would say that Kahr has made an effort to fix SOME of it's problems and add some nice features since WH made them. I pretty much made a project X gun and you could do the same if you have the time and the money. There is a great wealth of knowledgeable people here that can help you out. Just look at the FAQ and use the search function to help you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippje Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I, too, have a ban-period West Hurley 1927-A1 Deluxe and have had no problems with it (that were not ammo related, anyway). I bought it used and it came with one 30-round stick and one 10-round drum. I just received a "Crosby-repro" L drum, but have not yet fired it. (incidentally, how can I determine exactly when mine was made...is there a published list? Call Kahr? Buy a book?) I have considered having the barrel shortened, too, but it looks like it will only end up where the Cutts starts now. I'm not sure it is worth it for such a small shortening (in WA, too, so no SBR). What about the other mods you mention? What do they "do" for you? I'd like mine to COCK a little easier and maybe put on a horizontal forend, but that would probably do it for me! Rob The horizontal forend that I bought from Dan is longer than an original so it helps to fill the gap. It looks a great deal better. If you shorten the barrel two inches it looks even better. I considered doing a bolt hold open mod but I probably won't. I only use the drum for display and you can lock the bolt to the rear anyway so I don't see it as a major issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badger Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Thank you all very much for your suggestions and advice. It appears that I will acquiring a semi now, As I ordered a 1928 rear sight assembly yesterday for Rguns and currently have nothing to put it on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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