Deputy Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) I have a brand new 1927A1 Kahr/Thompson. Today I took it out to clean it and noticed that when I try to cock it it DOESN'T cock. I thought maybe I wasn't pulling the cocking lever back far enough so I got out a rag and pulled it all the way back till it wouldn't go any further and then let it slide forward. Still wouldn't cock. I tried to take it apart to see what's going on inside, but when I push in the takedown button and try and slide the lower receiver from the upper, it only slides back an inch or so under HEAVY spring tension to the point where it won't seperate any further. Then the lower slams forward. I called Kahr and left a message with them but no call back yet. I thought Kahr had imprioved the quality control of Auto Ordnance when they took it over. This is pretty disappointing after spending over a grand to buy this thing and I can't even shoot it. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif Dep Edited May 25, 2006 by Depuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Is the safety on or in the fire position? It should be in the fire position for the lower to come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Yep. Safety is in fire position. The lower travels back one inch and STOPS. Like it is hitting something solid. It's also under considerable spring tension. Dep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Don't laugh but there may be a part loose inside there from a faulty attempt to disassemble the gun, and its blocking the movement of the bolt, or the firing pin may have broken having the same effect... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun_lobotomy Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 dont u have to dry fire it to take it apart? im pretty sure you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) QUOTE (reconbob @ May 24 2006, 10:22 PM) Don't laugh but there may be a part loose inside there from a faulty attempt to disassemble the gun, and its blocking the movement of the bolt, or the firing pin may have broken having the same effect... Bob You may be right. But I never disassembled the gun prior to first attempt yesterday. And I didn't try cocking it until yesterday either. The op rod goes all the way back as far as it can go but it just doesn't cock. I think they should rename this hunk of garbage 1927A1 boat anchor. That's all it's good for. I tried calling Kahr, but the service rep must be flooded with calls. All I ever get is an answering machine. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif Dep Edited May 26, 2006 by Depuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACARLG Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 QUOTE (PhilOhio @ May 25 2006, 11:05 AM) Do you suppose the children of some of those GM people went to work at Kahr Arms, for the Moonies? It would make sense. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif That'd actually be a pretty funny betting board - *who* exactly works at Kahr? My vote is for Zombies, like in "Dawn of the Dead". "Braaaaains" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consult4745 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Dep, Try calling one of the other numbers (sales) and ask to be transferred to service. I have found them to be very helpful. Good luck. Cotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyGunner Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 My guess... It was cocked with the safety on and the firing pin dropped down into the cavity that was created and bound against the rear most lip of the sear where it does not belong. This will cause the frame to be under serious tension when you try to remove it. You cannot cock it because your firing pin is already in the cocked position and beyond. Sometimes by pulling back on the cocking knob and working the trigger a bit at the same time you can get the sear to disengage and "fire". (helps with two people) If not it will need to be sent in...they can be a real hassle to get apart sometimes. This can dammage your firing pin and sear...this is even noted in the owners manual. Not a warranty issue for sure. Hope this helps. Damon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Posted May 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 (edited) Thanks Damon and Consult. I'll try that trick of pulling back the cocking knob and fiddling with the trigger. Also will call their regular number and see if I can contact someone. I appreciate the advice!!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Dep Edited May 26, 2006 by Depuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Brother Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Whatever you do, do not take the pivot plate off with the frame still on the reciever. Because that's what it sounds like to me, - either a broken firing pin or the loose parts jamming up after taking the pivot plate off. You are going to have to release that firing pin somehow or you will never get it apart. Well, you might get it apart with considerable damage being done to it... If you are not familiar with gunsmithing work I highly reccomend letting the moonies attempt to fix it, or better yet,-take it to someone who knows how to work on 'em. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif I hope you get it fixed with no problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyGunner Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Whiskey Brother is right on that one. Don't take the pivot plate off. I have one in the shop right now like that...real mess. Best, Damon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Posted June 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I posted this on a different thread, but I got the dang thing apart by pushing forward on the trigger until it "clicked". Then I squeezed the trigger and the hammer dropped. Then I was able to take it apart no problemo. The thing is....I can't really see what's wrong with it. When I assemble it and cock it it cocks...but I still need to push the trigger forward till it clicks, and then squeeze the trigger to have the hammer drop. Anyone have any ideas? Dep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyGunner Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Sounds like a spring may be worn or crushed. Give me a call. Damon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Posted June 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE (TommyGunner @ Jun 3 2006, 06:45 AM) Sounds like a spring may be worn or crushed. Give me a call. Damon Thanks Damon. I'm pretty good with taking apart firearms, but most of my experience has been with Garands, Carbines, and FALs. Not really sure how to take apart the trigger housing on the Thompson. And Auto Ordnance doesn't seem to encourage it's disassembly http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif I'll give you a call on Monday and can send pics of the lower if that helps. Dep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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