Petroleum 1 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 The police markings look authentic but the rest idk. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/924756279 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 Here is what caught my eye.USMC poorly stamped- fakedButt plate looks like a Win M70 buttplate. probably added post war.Can't see the rivots fastening the vent hand guard to bayonet attachment. Probably a repro.The Omaha and CYL looks good.My guess,-- a Omaha police riot gun that someone faked into a trench gun.Whats your guess ???Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 What a mess. USMC and ordnance bomb markings clearly faked. Reproduction heat shield and bayonet mount. Wrong butt plate for any model 97. OPD markings neatly applied either by Winchester under contract or OPD. Nothing wrong with that, but of course it means that the gun has a civilian PD history, not USMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) I agree with the above posts. That bomb stamp on the repro bayonet mount is a new one for me lol...the gun is a nice PD piece other than the faked stuff, Edited February 18, 2022 by Petroleum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 ...which would have been worth a lot more without the counterfeit markings.I am amazed at the number of fake US Mil shotguns that keep showing up. It seems they may be counterfeited more than just about any other weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyDixon Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 there is some guy out here in calif that has the counterfit military shot guns at every show,, he must have a set of stamps and goes wild,, im waiting for an ivar johnson ,410 usmc , guard gun to show up ! just sayn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Canfield Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 ...which would have been worth a lot more without the counterfeit markings.I am amazed at the number of fake US Mil shotguns that keep showing up. It seems they may be counterfeited more than just about any other weaponYou are absolutely correct. The overwhelming majority of trench guns on the market today are either outright fakes are have varying degrees of "problems." When genuine trench guns sold for $200 or $300 years ago and weren't very popular with many collectors, fakes weren't as big of a problem. Now with prices ten, twenty or thirty times as much (if not more) and the actual scarcity of the real guns is now obvious, fakes are a growing plague and lots of people are spending lots of money on bogus pieces. A little research can save a lot of money. Google or Wikipedia don't cut it, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted February 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 another fake https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/924947485 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 "...but wait there's more"from the same seller. I don't know what is and isn't authentic but when I see a mix and match of conditions for the parts on the same gun, I ain't buyin' it.https://www.gunbroker.com/item/924954604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Beautiful stamps on both guns, wood and metal.Why they are so nicely done they look like they were done yesterday.With one exception, who ever did the M12 metal stamps had the shakes.Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted February 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) check out this dreamer...nice solid frame '97 but?? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/925075145 Edited February 21, 2022 by Petroleum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 He needs to borrow the flaming bomb stamp from the other scammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted February 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 I told him the 41 stamped on the barrel has nothing to do with the military. Winchester stamped it in 1941 as date of the barrel mfg. of course he doesnt believe me and the heat shield is clearly not a WW1 edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 "...but wait there's more"from the same seller. I don't know what is and isn't authentic but when I see a mix and match of conditions for the parts on the same gun, I ain't buyin' it.https://www.gunbroker.com/item/924954604 Guy H. Drewry did not become Ordnance inspector until July 17, 1942, so the GHD stamp is incorrect for a gun supposedly made in 1939. This gun is an outright fraud. Looks like there's nothing to be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimoreed11754 Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 Love the one with the magazine band AND heat shield bayonet mount. He didn’t even bother to look to see what was correct. Cant call it a fake I guess as it’s not a copy of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted May 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 This one just listed might be the real deal?? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/934106360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 It's not expensive enough to be a fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted May 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 It's not expensive enough to be a fake lol!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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