
22 Conversion Kits
#1
Posted 20 August 2005 - 09:37 AM
2Dogs ,,,,, OUT
#2
Posted 20 August 2005 - 11:10 AM
#3
Posted 20 August 2005 - 11:15 AM
I have also posted in the past on the auto ordnance kits (probably made in the 70's). I only have the semi auto version, but I believe numrich made them for full auto and semi auto guns. The paperwork in my box alludes to that fact. The coversion barrel was terrible and funtion was very poor.
Phil,
I was wondering if a guy could make a bolt (or modify the existing one) to allow it to travel the full length of the receiver internally. Maybe make a pair of guide rods and springs (like a grease gun). Make it heavy and the springs light. What do you think?
Dan
#4
Posted 20 August 2005 - 12:37 PM
#5
Posted 20 August 2005 - 01:07 PM
#6
Posted 20 August 2005 - 01:10 PM
For every make and model discussed, each one is an individual case - some excellent, some take tweaking, and some never work right no matter what. In all cases, the aluminum bolt evenually wears (one person reported over 25,000 rounds of good performance in an M16 before the bolt wear caused problems). Why doesn't JAC put a steel wear plate (as I believe Phil has done)? For the same reason he's "difficult" to deal with. He's JAC.
As for the modified bolt with full travel that is used with lighter springs, like so many TSMG good ideas, a lot of cost for a very limited number of sales. The piece price would never pay for the engineering and tooling. Witness the discussions regarding new C drums.
MHO, YMMV, etc.
MP
#7
Posted 20 August 2005 - 01:11 PM
#8
Posted 20 August 2005 - 02:09 PM
I think Ill take my M1A1 to Knob Creek with me this fall. Ill tell J A C Ill buy one if it will run 3 clips of 25 without a hic-cup. See if he will put his reputation on the line...LITERALLY.
By the way....... There is an Auto Ordnance (W H) 22 conversion for sale on Gunbroker . Complete with orig box and paperwork.... If any of you collectors might be interested. GB Item # 36210877 Opening bid is $200.oo I just found it I dont know anything about it........
2Dogs ,,,,, OUT
#9
Posted 20 August 2005 - 11:06 PM
I bet he won't take your challenge at KCR-
Edited by OldFalGuy, 20 August 2005 - 11:11 PM.
#10
Posted 21 August 2005 - 08:17 PM
I can always appreciate and respect someone working in their garage saying "what if I did this...". However, to me, it just feels like I downsized for no good reason. It's like BB King said "the thrill is gone".
Just my point of view.
#11
Posted 22 August 2005 - 07:18 PM
Have been waiting over 3 months, order payed in full. Finally had to send a letter to find out what the status of my order was as they do not pick up the phone. Reply was sent promptly via mail, "On backorder, will ship ASAP". Pay the money, wait in silence, hope its worth it. Others might have better luck going through a dealer.
FWIW
#12
Posted 22 August 2005 - 08:08 PM
Hope yours works great-
Did the AO 22 kits ever work on the full autos??
Mark
#13
Posted 22 August 2005 - 08:39 PM
#14
Posted 23 August 2005 - 08:14 PM
MP
#15
Posted 23 August 2005 - 09:34 PM
#16
Posted 23 August 2005 - 09:51 PM
If that is what you heard and learned being around THommpsons a helluva lot longer than me I will take it as gospel. ITs a shame but at times we get desperate for a solution and over reach. If I can buy the kit for poco nada I will otherwise I will wait till Phil wins the lotto, gets a machine shop and produces the 9mm conversion in numbers suffieceint to make them kick JAC's ass.
Mark
#17
Posted 24 August 2005 - 08:07 AM
I go to BIMINI, I can find you.
#18
Posted 24 August 2005 - 09:54 AM
#19
Posted 24 August 2005 - 05:47 PM
Agreed. Ammo crud, especially from .22s, is the bane of any elaborate gun system.
The Robbins conversion would have to cost a bizzilion dollars if JAC want $499 for his relatively simple system.
All,
JAC may have adopted the ARES (i.e., Shrike) business model.
MP