Sig Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Hello There is a Thompson NO 4309 on one of the other boards. It looks very nice. Gordon's book shows that this particular Thompson was listed for sale by Law Enforcement Ordnance on 12/30/74 and 9/15/76. Believe there are a few Law Enforcement Ordnance paper aficiondos here. Wondering if one of you might have a copy of a for sale sheet from Law Enforcement Ordnance on those dates. Looking for a scan in order to see the description for NO 4309, or perhaps a you could type the description in a post. thanksmichael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted May 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Did not think I would be disappointed and I was not.TD emailed me a copy he found of another for sale flyer with NO 4309. Description here says excellent to mint condition and is one of the higher priced Thompsons shown excluding the last one with Dillinger provenance. Judging by the description, asking price compared to the others, and the fact Roger had this for nearly two years, it seems Roger considered this special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Could this be the one in the pic with the Oakland Co Sheriff?? And Joe Louis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gio Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 I have one of Law Enforcement Ordnance Co. dated October 25,1974 and 4309 is not listed. Their are 27 1921 Thompsons listed from $975 to $2500 most around $1550. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted May 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Could this be the one in the pic with the Oakland Co Sheriff?? And Joe Louis?Good memoryMaybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted May 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Could this be the one in the pic with the Oakland Co Sheriff?? And Joe Louis?Good memoryMaybeOr maybe notGordon's book shows another Thompson from OCSD NO 4843, listed as a 21A The picture I have shows a Thompson with a compensator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 Agree... not the same one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted May 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 MikeDid not Julie or yourself find a link to a story on the camp and/or the sheriff?michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrowhunter Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 I have a L.E.O.C. list dated 3-7-75 with the same description, different price ($1950.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobcreeknut Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 How much do the stampings put on by the dept detract from the value of this gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 The research our group did, showed that the East Chicago PD never owned a Dillinger Thompson as claimed, # 3170 coming from the Peru, Indiana PD, and don't know anything about it ( # 5878, Peru, IN.) It's also speculation that Dillinger may not of robbed the East Chicago Bank, some claiming an inside job. I believe he did. However whomever robbed the bank took the Thompson with him. Ten days after this robbery, Dillinger & Company were arrested in Tucson with # 6099( Lima) ; #8946 ( Auburn, IN) ; #5878 ( Peru, IN) and # 3363 ( Racine) . It would be very interesting to see the provenance the East Chicago PD has on # 3170 if they do. I certainly would like to know.One in our group, (retired sheriff) had called the East Chicago PD I think 3 times talking cop to cop about this. With outlaw items, it's always a big buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 How much do the stampings put on by the dept detract from the value of this gun? Cox describes #4309 in 1975 as "excellent to mint" even with the PD marking. It sure cannot be mint when it doesn't look like it did when it left Colt/AOC. The current photos of #4309 do not indicate a "mint" condition. Of course who knows what this Colt looked like nearly 40 years ago when Cox had it listed. It is interesting that Cox continued to raise the prices on his TSMG inventory, sometimes twice a year, on items that were not selling. But you have to wonder if JCE ever advertised a Colt TSMG as being "refinished" as Cox does with one of his examples. Back then he valued a 'refinished" Colt as only $350 less than his "mint" examples. Some collectors like the PD stampings, How much one should consider the negative impact on value on the overall condition is difficult to state. But it would be a point of negotiation for the buyer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) Dutch-I look at it as a positive, i.e. my Anderson Colt has the PD under the trigger group. On the" side", for my concerns, would be a negative. Unless, it was historically dated to JD. Which, as far as I know, doesn't exist. Interesting subject.Was talking to Jim C the other day, about a thread started about just Colt Thompsons. Just a discussion/photos. The differences.I can't, but the forum is getting rather stale IMHO. ( covering my ass, stale on Colt Thompsons , whew ) OCM Edited May 8, 2013 by OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellfree Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) Iam new to this site. Just practicing on a post. Thanks for the help David. Edited May 17, 2013 by dellfree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Welcome Dell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellfree Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Thanks Sig, I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellfree Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) I found this in some of my dads stuff. Edited May 16, 2013 by dellfree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 Hey Dell,Seems like I've seen this picture before, name sounds familiar too. Know Mattix, Helmer that group ? ( Dillinger historians etc ), Maybe the Hudson group ? Cars ? Good seeing your stuff, this is a good place. OCM Iam new to this site. Just practicing on a post. Thanks for the help David.100_0084.JPG100_0086.JPG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3BigDaddy Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) Cool, thanks for the post! Edited May 14, 2013 by Z3BigDaddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellfree Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 OCM, We have always been interested in the history associated with firearms.Especially Thompsons. We never participated in a formal research group, like you guys, but would have loved to. Thanks for the kind words. Respectfully, Dell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 OK, good to see you here, this has it all regarding the association with Thompsons and everything Thompson. I'm one of the newer guys too, but a fast learner. Lot of history on the gangsters, lawmen etc over in the forum 's sub category, if you are into that. Lot of good folks here that know a lot. AS/B4 OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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