Thompsonlover Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliaferro Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 Too bad someone who owns the M28 doesn't know how to reassemble the upper bolt assembly buffer. Tracie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68coupe Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 43 minutes ago, Taliaferro said: Too bad someone who owns the M28 doesn't know how to reassemble the upper bolt assembly buffer. Tracie He took the M1 apart quick enough. LOL FWIW, I noticed the M28 even has the "cool guy" quick assembly hole drilled in the buffer pilot shaft... Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, 68coupe said: He took the M1 apart quick enough. LOL FWIW, I noticed the M28 even has the "cool guy" quick assembly hole drilled in the buffer pilot shaft... Karl Which hole are you referring to, the one that lets you use a pin to retain most of the recoil spring for easy reassembly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68coupe Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 13 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Which hole are you referring to, the one that lets you use a pin to retain most of the recoil spring for easy reassembly? That's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 (edited) Spot welded rear sight…I do enjoy watching Ian's videos. Edited May 2 by Bridgeport28A1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, 68coupe said: That's the one. I didn't realize that wasn't "standard". My 41 AOC has one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 1 minute ago, Maine-iac said: I didn't realize that wasn't "standard". My 41 AOC has one. Does your AOC buffer pilot have a S or AOC on the flat part of the flange? Colts and the early 1928 guns that went to Britain do not have the hole in the buffer pilot. Hole were also added to buffer pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 35 minutes ago, Bridgeport28A1 said: Does your AOC buffer pilot have a S or AOC on the flat part of the flange? Colts and the early 1928 guns that went to Britain do not have the hole in the buffer pilot. Hole were also added to buffer pilots. I'll check when I get home. Not that it really matters, as the guns a mix master,so I doubt the pilots original to the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 I’ve never seen an AOC buffer pilot, so that is the reason for the inquiry. All I have ever seen are S marked Savage buffer pilots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, Bridgeport28A1 said: Does your AOC buffer pilot have a S or AOC on the flat part of the flange? Colts and the early 1928 guns that went to Britain do not have the hole in the buffer pilot. Hole were also added to buffer pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 7 hours ago, rpbcps said: Aaaand boopkis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 (edited) Maine-iac, If you do not find the letter "S" on the flange of the buffer pilot, do not use it as it may be an Auto-Ordnance West Hurley two-piece buffer pilot. These are dangerous as the rod and flange could separate when firing. You definitely do not want the rod flying out the back of the receiver when firing. If you need a USGI buffer pilot, Board member Phil Askew has some very nice ones in stock. Phil can be reached at: philfordparts@yahoo.com Phil also has NOS recoil springs, another spare part to consider. I highly recommend you contact Board member PK. and purchase a couple of his polyurethane buffer discs. He has two types, both are excellent. His email address is: p-k@q.com PK may take a few days to reply but it is well worth the wait. I would guess two polyurethane buffers are under 20 bucks. Edited May 2 by TD. Phil also has the Savage paddle safety levers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 I do own an early Savage buffer pilot that has the S stamped on the buffer side of the flange and not on the flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 39 minutes ago, Bridgeport28A1 said: I do own an early Savage buffer pilot that has the S stamped on the buffer side of the flange and not on the flat. That would be the case here, as it turns out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, TD. said: Maine-iac, If you do not find the letter "S" on the flange of the buffer pilot, do not use it as it may be an Auto-Ordnance West Hurley two-piece buffer pilot. These are dangerous as the rod and flange could separate when firing. You definitely do not want the rod flying out the back of the receiver when firing. If you need a USGI buffer pilot, Board member Phil Askew has some very nice ones in stock. Phil can be reached at: philfordparts@yahoo.com Phil also has NOS recoil springs, another spare part to consider. I highly recommend you contact Board member PK. and purchase a couple of his polyurethane buffer discs. He has two types, both are excellent. His email address is: p-k@q.com PK may take a few days to reply but it is well worth the wait. I would guess two polyurethane buffers are under 20 bucks. It turns out that it's a solid one piece Savage manufactured pilot, I appreciate the heads up in any case. I'll send a message to PK in the morning. I'm going to be putting together a small pile of sustainment parts. The neoprene washers are a locally sourced stopgap for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 Maine-iac, That is a very early Savage buffer pilot with the "S" mark on the side of flange. Note the axis holes or centers on the end of the pilot. I mistakenly called these axis hole bevels for many years until a master machinist schooled me as to what I was looking at. Is there a hole at the end of the long shaft? If not, the buffer pilot has not been modified. That said, it is common to find the early Savage (and all Colt) 1928 buffer pilots modified with a hole. If you observe enough of the early Savage or Colt buffer pilots, it is easy to tell if a mill or drill was used to make the hole. You definitely do not need a buffer pilot. Those with my first book, Great Britain - The Tommy Gun Story, can turn to page 136 to read about this early Savage buffer pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Quaid Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 My Savage Commercial pilot has no hole in it and you will say some colorful words trying to get it assembled in the gun. It either goes in on the first try like magic, or 20 tries with the spring squirting everywhere. There must be some trick to it, there is no way that they would send something that frustrating to customers to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadycon Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 Did he say "fifteen hundred round drum"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68coupe Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 fifty OR hundred. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 18 hours ago, Doug Quaid said: My Savage Commercial pilot has no hole in it and you will say some colorful words trying to get it assembled in the gun. It either goes in on the first try like magic, or 20 tries with the spring squirting everywhere. There must be some trick to it, there is no way that they would send something that frustrating to customers to deal with. I had a Thompson '28 Navy with the 'no hole' recoil rod. I bought a small vice grip tool and ground the outer part of the jaws (which I had taped over the teeth to prevent scraping the rod) so they could reach into the upper to clamp on the rod and hold the spring in the retracted position while the rod was maneuvered into position. As for "Forgotten Weapons" videos, I found them to be more infomercials than infotainment; and I can't say as I've ever saw anything that I hadn't read previously. So I quit wasting my time watching them several years ago. MHO, YMMV, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68coupe Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 TD, Deerslayer, et al, Along the same lines as the drilled hole in the pilot shaft, would that be a reasonable thing to do on the recoil spring pilot shaft for my OOW 1918 SLR? It does not have nearly the cross section as the the Thompson, but the spring tension is greater. I have a vocabulary building time "threading the needle" when re-assembling it. I've done it with my West Hurley, using a Kahr recoil spring pilot (I didn't want to wreck the WH part). Thompson semis have a much lower spring tension. I haven't tried it on my OOW gun. I know, apples & oranges....but the question remains. Thanks in advance, Karl, 68coupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted May 4 Report Share Posted May 4 68coupe, Sorry, but I know very little about a BAR or a OOW 1918 SLR. I agree it is very difficult to install a 1928 recoil spring on a buffer pilot without a hole in the shaft. I have seen a number of Colt buffer pilots over the years modified by a hole in the pilot shaft. I don't think it is a deduction in value with this user modification because it makes the install much easier. Also, only the end of the buffer pilot is a visible when a Colt is on display. The early Savage buffer pilots were the same as the Colt's as per the first contract. This changed fairly quickly in the production. I would guess many of the early buffer pilots were modified or thrown away and replaced. I believe the British and Canadians, early customers for the Savage guns, published a modification bulletin for this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Quaid Posted May 4 Report Share Posted May 4 5 hours ago, Merry Ploughboy said: I had a Thompson '28 Navy with the 'no hole' recoil rod. I bought a small vice grip tool and ground the outer part of the jaws (which I had taped over the teeth to prevent scraping the rod) so they could reach into the upper to clamp on the rod and hold the spring in the retracted position while the rod was maneuvered into position. As for "Forgotten Weapons" videos, I found them to be more infomercials than infotainment; and I can't say as I've ever saw anything that I hadn't read previously. So I quit wasting my time watching them several years ago. MHO, YMMV, etc. Well, just make sure your read sight spot welds are good on your M1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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