halftrack Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I assume the one being held by the Frenchmen is a Colt, However, the one being held by the Chinese soldier of am not sure. Is it a Chinese clone? Photo is not blurry like the others I have come across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I don't know the time frame of the pics, but they both are sporting 30 round mags. I have to think Chinese gun is a clone - the barrel band and sling into buttstock look unique. What is the wording with the pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftrack Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Description. China : Soldiers of the Chinese communists who participate in the war against Japan exercise with the Thompson Submachine Gun - autumn 1937 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I believe the picture of the 1921 held by the French Gendarme is sporting a 20 rnd magazine. Two months after the British and French declaration of war on Germany on the 3rd September 1939, France placed an order for 3,000 Model of 1921’s. The initial French order was delivered prior to the fall of France in 1940, but most of the Thompson guns remained in armouries and were only occasionally issued in May/June 1940. It was not until 1941, that these weapons were more widely distributed, by the Vichy French troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Description. China : Soldiers of the Chinese communists who participate in the war against Japan exercise with the Thompson Submachine Gun - autumn 1937 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsonteenager Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I don't know the time frame of the pics, but they both are sporting 30 round mags. I have to think Chinese gun is a clone - the barrel band and sling into buttstock look unique. What is the wording with the pics?Didn't some Savage 1928s not have the front compensator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 I assume the one being held by the Frenchmen is a Colt, However, the one being held by the Chinese soldier of am not sure. Is it a Chinese clone? Photo is not blurry like the others I have come across. Chinese made copies as pictured in American Thunder III Chapter 14 pg 337-342.One way to tell is the location of the front sling swivel around the barrel. The rear attachment point for the sling is like those on TYPE 50 subguns (PPSh 41) The Chinese Thompson copies were well-made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 The Chinese Thompsons have intrigued me for years. I have a few of the Shansei M17 .45 Broomhandles which I have always liked to shoot. Also the Chinese Inglis Bren. There are at least a couple Chinese made Thompsons in the NFRTR, one of which was at KC about eight or ten years ago. I had the chance to take it apart and look it over and it was certainly an excellent gun. I think it sold for $75k. Not sure if the same one showed up at auction some years later, or if the auction example was a second one. Never came across one many, many years ago which would have been way less bucks at the time. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) I don't know the time frame of the pics, but they both are sporting 30 round mags. I have to think Chinese gun is a clone - the barrel band and sling into buttstock look unique. What is the wording with the pics?Didn't some Savage 1928s not have the front compensator. Indeed there were, Tom Davis covers the story in his excellent book 'Great Britain - The Tommy Gun Story'. Tom also wrote a very well researched and written article in the Small Arms Review back in 2013 on the subject, “Savage Arms Model of 1928A” Edited December 31, 2020 by rpbcps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Description. China : Soldiers of the Chinese communists who participate in the war against Japan exercise with the Thompson Submachine Gun - autumn 1937 1937 Picture Nat Chinese.JPG Everyone, volley fire now!OK.Remaining row, second volley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) No way to tell, but I'd bet that the pic of Chinese communist soldiers was taken after about 1946. Edited January 1, 2021 by TSMGguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 The Chinese received at least 100 Colt Thompsons pretty early on, I believe in 1923. Its an intriguing story that Ive been meaning to write about since 2007. I have many original documents to support this, and the story involves a Chinese photographer in San Francisco who was funneling weapons and other items to the Nationalist Chinese, including a Stutz Bearcat for which I have the bill of sale. The photographer remains famous today in certain photography circles for his distinctive backdrop art. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 The Chinese received at least 100 Colt Thompsons pretty early on, I believe in 1923. Its an intriguing story that Ive been meaning to write about since 2007. I have many original documents to support this, and the story involves a Chinese photographer in San Francisco who was funneling weapons and other items to the Nationalist Chinese, including a Stutz Bearcat for which I have the bill of sale. The photographer remains famous today in certain photography circles for his distinctive backdrop art. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.comDavid,I can't wait to read that story. Stay safeRichard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 David, do you believe the photos of the Chinese soldiers with Thompsons are from 1937? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 David, do you believe the photos of the Chinese soldiers with Thompsons are from 1937?I believe they are pre-WWII. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 David, do you believe the photos of the Chinese soldiers with Thompsons are from 1937?I believe they are pre-WWII. DavidFWIW, present day historians say that what is referred to as WWII started in earnest in August, 1937, after the Japanese and Chinese had clashed in the Marco Polo Bridge incident of July 7, 1937. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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