ordnanceguy Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Gentlemen: I ran across this period pic and some similar photos from the Boston Police Department and thought that they would be of interest here. The first is captioned "Lt. Lutz is ready with men and machine guns if any May Day riots occur." http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPDLtLutz-is-ready-with-men-and-machine-guns-if-any-may-day-riots-occur.jpg Regards,Charlie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnanceguy Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Another one. Not sure of the significance of this photo. I am guessing that the vest is an early "bullet-proof vest." Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPDTSMGandVested.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Great photos. I am from Massachusetts and those guys are definitely Irish-Bostonians. In fact, I think I have seen someone on the street that looked like the one on the left. Regarding the second photo, the pistol looks like it is chambered for .38 Super by the look of the magazines. Also interesting is the carrying of loose ammo in the bag. I wonder what kind of bag it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnanceguy Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Glad you liked them, Annihilator. (I usually see you over on the USMF site.) Agreed that pistol is likely a Colt .38 Super. Here is another from the same Boston PD source, although this one is not of policemen but rather an armored car crew. No date known to me but if I spent some time checking out the truck's license plate the date on it could probably be figured out. Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/Millions-of-dollars-being-removed-from-armored-car-under-heavy-guardatBostoned.jpg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnanceguy Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 The last one for today. This one shows two guys examining what appears to be early tear gas guns. Can anyone here ID them? Nice row of M1921 TSMGs on the bottom rack with M1903 Springfield rifles above and riot shotguns over to the right. Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPoliceArmory1934ed.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The gas guns look like the Webley models that Fed Labs sold prior to designing their own models, but the barrel length is longer than the samples I've seen. It could be a Lake Erie Chemical Company model. Great photos...Thanks for posting! David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertord Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I believe that the gas guns in Post #5 are Very Early Federal Labs / Webley & Scott Examples. Photo Dated December 28, 1935. "Boston Police Commissioner McSweeney and Detectives examine modern tear gas equipment that was recently purchased to aid in the battle of Desperate Criminals". Stay safe, Frank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) The last one for today. This one shows two guys examining what appears to be early tear gas guns. Can anyone here ID them? Nice row of M1921 TSMGs on the bottom rack with M1903 Springfield rifles above and riot shotguns over to the right. Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPoliceArmory1934ed.jpg Interesting how several of the 21's have sling swivels on the butt stock. Of the two on the far right that have a sling swivel attached to the front sight (haven't seen that before), one of these doesn't have a butt swivel. Edited November 19, 2012 by mnshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Your welcome ordnanceguy. I have a strong interest in the Thompson in addition to militaria. Is that a Colt Model 1895 or a Marlin Tank Gun just peeking into the frame on the left? Edited November 19, 2012 by Annihilator I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aut-ord-co Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Noticed at least six drums stacked above the Thompsons. Great pictures!Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Another one. Not sure of the significance of this photo. I am guessing that the vest is an early "bullet-proof vest." Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPDTSMGandVested.jpgordnanceguy, I'm pretty sure that is the Thompson that was recovered from Lake Michigan after John Dillinger's death in Chicago in 1934. Anna Sage cleaned out his place and had someone dump the guns in the lake near Dillinger's apartment. A coupld of kids swimming the following day found the guns and called the police. That is why the condition of the stuff is okay, it was only in the water for a day or two. Board member OCM can give you the complete rundown on the serial number, etc. Edited November 19, 2012 by gijive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Dudley Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The last one for today. This one shows two guys examining what appears to be early tear gas guns. Can anyone here ID them? Nice row of M1921 TSMGs on the bottom rack with M1903 Springfield rifles above and riot shotguns over to the right. Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPoliceArmory1934ed.jpg Interesting how several of the 21's have sling swivels on the butt stock. Of the two on the far right that have a sling swivel attached to the front sight (haven't seen that before), one of these doesn't have a butt swivel. Anybody have pictures of that type front sling swivel? It would be interesting to know who owns the 21's or where are they now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) My 21 (6077) is from the Boston area (actually through Numrich in 1960) was complete with a GI buttstock assembly. Maybe Numrich got it from Boston PD? Is there any way to positively date this pic as to pre or post war? Ooops! I did not see this... never mind! Photo Dated December 28, 1935. "Boston Police Commissioner McSweeney and Detectives examine modern tear gas equipment that was recently purchased to aid in the battle of Desperate Criminals". Edited November 20, 2012 by giantpanda4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The last one for today. This one shows two guys examining what appears to be early tear gas guns. Can anyone here ID them? Nice row of M1921 TSMGs on the bottom rack with M1903 Springfield rifles above and riot shotguns over to the right. Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPoliceArmory1934ed.jpg I wonder why all that firepower was not out on patrol and in use? The Boston PD arms room has the look of more like a "museum" than a "working" arms room where officers checked out rifles or submachine guns for patrol use on their shifts. Maybe they only issued the rifles and Tommyguns out on St. Patricks day? Great pictures, thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Those arn't riot guns , they're trench guns with slings and bayonet adaptors .Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The last one for today. This one shows two guys examining what appears to be early tear gas guns. Can anyone here ID them? Nice row of M1921 TSMGs on the bottom rack with M1903 Springfield rifles above and riot shotguns over to the right. Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPoliceArmory1934ed.jpg I should add who here would not like to have that room as their "gun library" with a nice reclining chair to relax in. The sling swivel question needs a response from a knowledgeable Colt member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Another one. Not sure of the significance of this photo. I am guessing that the vest is an early "bullet-proof vest." Regards,Charlie http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Sub%20MGs/BostonPDTSMGandVested.jpgCharlie,gijive is correct, these are the Dillinger intems recovered from Lake Michigan the day after Dillinger was killed. The Thompson is # 7387 taken at his escape from the Crown Point jail 3/3/1934. Pistol is a Colt 38 Super, notice the two-tone original magazines and maybe a magazine for a Winchester 351 . Vest appears to be a Dunrite, a favorite " style " for Mr. Dillinger.The Thompson is now returned to the Porter Indiana County Sheriff's Dept. and in occasional use. ( for fun )Machinegun Mike on the forum, has a video of himself firing this Thompson. Way cool. OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I wonder why one sling is on bassakwards ?Can't tell if it's a Colt or Marlin , one of the two.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Interesting photography above the two guys examining the guns. Small end photo looks a like the aftermath of the SVDM on Clarke Street, at least one of the views taken that day ? OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3BigDaddy Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just noticed the row of Thompson Drums on the shelf above the guns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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