james m Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) This picture was posted on another forum but due to the content I think the membership here will enjoy it.Note their cabinet full of high tech "assault weapons" behind them!Jim Edited August 26, 2015 by james m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Classic, way cool weapons too. ( r) 1918 BAR, interesting. Must be an armory . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Any details on the photo? I love the gas gun! Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph12297 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I recall a similar picture that was Boston PD...not sure if this is from there or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 The one on the left looks like Calvin Goddard, famous for his forensics research and contributing to the investigation of the St. Valentines Day Massacre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph12297 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Here is the one I was speaking of...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I agree with the Goddard ID. Any other info on the pic? These pics are great! Keep 'em coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauserMatt Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 And decent trigger control for those days.. Great pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Calvin Goddard ( L ) with SVDM guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james m Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I am being told on the other forum that this is a LAPD photo. However there are no other details.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 It looks like there are 4 Thompson's on the table in that picture. What is the "air cooled" gun showing itself? Reminds me of a Lanchester Mk1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunhistorian Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Probably an MP-18. A guy named Tausser (hope I got that right) was importing Belgian made MP-18s (can't remember the correct model number) to compete with TSMGs. Tausser (have to check on the guy's name) was a German spy in the U.S. before/during W.W.1, a part of von Papen's ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Another shot- Chicago Tribune photos. SVDM weapons. OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Can't be lapd, those are high capacity mags and therefore illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunhistorian Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 If the photos are of the SVDM trial, why the 9-mm MP-18 (or whatever)? I don't recall that any 9-mm casings were found at the scene, but then I'm not all that conversant with the SVDM. Or would this be a very rare .45 acp MP-18 (not sure they were made). Are there any descriptions on the photos to confirm that they are related to the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. . .or related to someother trial. . .or hearing? Don't 'cha just love mysteries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunhistorian Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Did a Google image search to try to establish the scene or "venue" of the photos, as I am curious about the MP-18. I wonder if the photos may have originated from the Fred Burke/Frankie Yale affair? Goddard was involved in that investigation. . . There are clips of newspaper articles showing a photo of the "arsenal" captured at Burke's house but they are not the greatest for showing detail. Allegedly these were the SVDM weapons. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) All, Just for clarification purposes, the Chicago Tribune photos of Calvin Goddard and Detective Captain Shoemaker with the Thompsons on the desk are not the guns used in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. They are guns that were tested by Goddard from various suburban Chicago police agencies and guns that were found to have ben sold through the Firearm's Dealers such as Peter Von Frantzius, who was being investigated by the Coroner's Jury during the inquest into the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. These pictures were taken during the hearings, probably in around April or May of 1929. The real guns used weren't discovered until December of 1929 in Stevensville, MI. None of the guns pictured tested positive to the shell casings recovered at the scene. This information is all available in Goddard's report and the Coroner's Inquest Minutes that have been available for review for many years. The MP-18 was recovered from Von Frantzius's shop, I believe. He had entered into an agreement with another individual named Vincent Daniels ( Danielski) to import the guns and sell them, Vincent Daniels was subpoenaed and testified to this arrangement at the Coroner's Inquest. Most of this information can be found by searching the Internet. Oh, and the other thing is the guy in the picture in Post # 6 is not Calvin Goddard. Edited August 30, 2015 by gijive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) Vintage photos has the Tribune photo listed as Coroner Herman N. Bundseen ( right ) and Lt Col CH Goddard. Any idea who this is ( Shoemaker or Bundseen) ? Interesting. Good info Chuck, as always. OCM Edited August 30, 2015 by OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunhistorian Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 gjive: Many thanks for clarifying this. Great info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Vintage photos has the Tribune photo listed as Coroner Herman N. Bundseen ( right ) and Lt Col CH Goddard. Any idea who this is ( Shoemaker or Bundseen) ? Interesting. Good info Chuck, as always. OCMSandy, The first picture you posted shows Calvin Goddard (left) and Coroner Bundesen (right). The second picture is Captain Shoemaker who testified at the Inquest concerning tracking down serial numbers of Thompsons sold by Vincent Daniels, Peter Von Frantzius, Von Lengerke and Antoine (VL & A), etc. and having them tested by Goddard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Got it-. ( age you know ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azboater Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Here is another shot of Shoemaker Identifying him as "Chief" Shoemaker on the photograph Caption:Police Chief William Shoemaker points a Thompson submachine gun, or tommy gun, for reporters, c. 1926.If the caption is correct, this was taken 3 years before the SVDM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 azboater, Captain Shoemaker was "Chief" of Detectives in Chicago during the time. The title "Chief" was a common reference to the rank of Captain in Chicago back in the day, especially by the newspapers. Captains were in charge of the police districts in Chicago (similar to precincts in New York) and were commonly referred to as "Chiefs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azboater Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 azboater, Captain Shoemaker was "Chief" of Detectives in Chicago during the time. The title "Chief" was a common reference to the rank of Captain in Chicago back in the day, especially by the newspapers. Captains were in charge of the police districts in Chicago (similar to precincts in New York) and were commonly referred to as "Chiefs".gijive,Thanks, I try & learn something new everyday, I appreciate the Info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villafuego Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Something very interesting about the MP-28'ish weapon in the 3rd pic.......take a close look at the markings on the top of the mag well.....and notice there is no visible mag release (as found on any of the MP-18/28 guns)........ It's a "Daniels Rapid Fire Carbine".....Vincent Daniels?http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/image-Copy.jpeghttp://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/image3-Copy.jpg http://www.forgottenweapons.com/daniels-rapid-fire-carbine/ Edited September 1, 2015 by villafuego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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