Phillies Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Perhaps I'll get this resolved myself before anyone replies but I just got my Philly Ordnance 80% receiver and I'm trying to get it on my lower. It was going on very tight and now it's halfway on and just stuck. It's won't budge at all now in either direction. Am I doing something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffdropover1 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I don't know anything about 80% receivers, but one must hold the trigger in the fire position to get the lower receiver on and off on the real thing. Worth a try and good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) Thanks. Pulling the trigger made it slide right off but still trying to figure out how to get the upper to go on more than halfway.... Edited November 19, 2011 by Phillies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffdropover1 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Glad I could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Pulling the trigger helps but still can't get the upper to get more than halfway on the lower. And when it's on halfway it's a very tight fit. Anyone else have any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wv1928 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 your upper might need a little tweeking. I got a dummy upper from Sarco and it fit just fine. Went off and on just likethe real one. Good luck..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 If your lower is not from an imported kit, but was actually in use somewhere, it's possible someone did some tightening on it to reduce play. It doesn't take much, just as in 1911's -to jam things. Do you have access to another gun to test all the parts fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Even when I first place the upper onto the lower I can see that there is no play at all. It's so tight that even if I was able to get the upper onto the lower there wouldn't be any need for the latch spring and button as there would be no way it would move at all. I don't have another lower to try it on though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylta Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Who made the display receiver?I doubt it was a Philly Ord.As in all things in life, you get what uou pay for.........-Darryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gio Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I got my reciever from Bob and it slid right on the lower and has normal play. You have checked to see if their is anything under the reciever that is holding it. It could be a bolt head from where you bolted your accuator knob or bolt. Just a thought.Good luckFrank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I actually did get a Philly Ordnance receiver. I have no experience with Thompsons so I can't say if it's the upper or my lower parts kit. I now Bob has a very good reputation so maybe it's an issue with my lower? I'm hoping I can send it back to Bob so he can have a look to see what the issue might be. Even when I first start to slide it on it's VERY tight. I'm going to have somebody else take a look at it too, maybe another set of eyes might help but I think there is an issue somewhere, just not sure where... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Phillies,Don't force anything and create a bigger problem. Contact Bob. He will make it right. Bob will probably see this thread and contact you. He likes happy customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Thanks. After I tried a few times and realized it just wasn't me I stopped trying. I'll let Bob figure out the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 My upper and lower were mailed out to Philly Ordnance today. I'll let you know what happens... I'm sure it'll all work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Yes, I would have jumped on this earlier but I was traveling. I have made many receiversand we take special care with the fit of the trigger frame. The fit of the trigger frame to thereceiver is checked before the receiver is removed from the milling fixture so it can be correctedif necessary. Anyone who gets a receiver from Phila Ord and has trouble fitting anything can send thenon-fitting parts back with the receiver and we will identify and correct the problem. 99% of thetime it is not the receivers. If a barrel does not fit (and its been a very long time since this was reported) most of the timeits because the barrel is an aftermarket barrel, or because the tip of the square thread has beenbent when the barrel was unscrewed from the receiver and pushed against by the flexing of thegrip mount. If a trigger frame does not fit most of the time its some slight damage or defect to the frame.The frame could be bent or warped, or there could be a slight dent or ding on the rails or someother glitch. This adjustment and fitting is done at no charge to the customer. The exception to this is whenthere is a REAL problem such as a badly bent frame which would require straightening, or asmentioned a frame that someone tried to "tighten" , or, we have even had some rewelded frameswhich were badly done. I will report back when I get Phillies parts... Bob Bower/Philly O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Now that is the type of company you want to do business with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rader Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Thats why I got an 80% from Bob, His rep'to make it good. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I have received Phillies receiver (made by Phila Ord) and trigger frame. An intitialinspection seems to indicate that there is some type of burr or galling of the triggerframe. Here is a photo of the receiver - note the bluing is scratched off along the railas far along as the frame would slide on: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/reconbob/IMG_2640.jpg I have tried several trigger frames we have here and they all slide right on withoutdifficultly: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/reconbob/IMG_2644.jpg I am assuming by cleaning and deburring the trigger frame here that all will bewell. One factor might be that the trigger frame has been painted black and maybethere is some crud mixed in with the paint stuck in the corners of the rails. Bob/Phila Ord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 That black paint was also on the barrel and on the receiver stub I have to. Anyone have any idea why it may have been painted black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 If it's what I think it is I've seen it on a lot of the Russian 28 kits I've handled and some of the as-new 20 round mags also. I have no knowledge of what it is but I imagined it was some sort of rust proofing. The parts looked as if they had been dipped into it. Bob D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I started on Phillies trigger frame, and after more checking it turns out theframe is bent. Here are photos of the frame on a granite surface plate. The frameis supposed to be dead flat. You can see that with a weight sitting on the front partof the frame the tail is lifted far enough above the surface of the plate that you can seedaylight. You can fit a 0.008" shim under the frame at the back. This frame will haveto be straightened with a press. I do not think that bending like this is caused by any normal use or handling of thetrigger frame. When a frame is assembled to a receiver you can't bend it. If its disassembledfrom the receiver you'd break the stock off if you were trying to bend the frame like this. I have seen this before and my opinion is that this is a result of long-term stress relievingof the steel. If the original blank was not, or improperly stress relieved (war time production)eventually the part will bend since it is so thick on one end and thin on the other. Bob http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/reconbob/IMG_2646.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/reconbob/IMG_2645.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Interesting and informative. Thanks for posting the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winbar Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I just happened to notice that the front buttstock bolt mount is pinned to the frame. I had an AOC M1 parts kit with the frame having the front buttstock bolt mount completely machined. My WH 1927 had the front mount pinned. I also have an M1(A1) frame remnant that is also completely machined with a GEG stamp near the rear stock bolt hole and an "A" to the left and a "C" to right of the rear stock bolt hole. Could the warped frame be a Numrich frame? If not, does anybody else have a G.I. frame with a pinned front mount? Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 The bent frame is an original military frame with the GEG stamp. I wonder howyou could bend a frame like this even if you wanted to. There is no way it could bedone by hand even if you tried - you can't get any leverage. Even if you wanted tobend it on purpose you'd have to set it up somehow in a press or a vise to be ableto mechanically bend it. Doing this would scar/damage the frame somewhere besidesthe bend. Thats why I am sticking with the stress relief... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) Does anyone think it would be worth the hassle and cost of removing the black paint on that lower and getting it reblued? I'm thinking it's probably better to just leave it be... Edited November 27, 2011 by Phillies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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