R67 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 One more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 So far none in your photos match the one in the original post. Side pouch in different position, straps are different, and material in the photos appears to be of a heavier type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R67 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Well, I tried. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 It's quite often that corrupt information gets proliferated over years and becomes gospel. This example is off topic but I am using it to demonstrate a point.The attached medal can be found all over as a "widows medal" or Death Medal from the GAR (Grand Army of the Republic post war veteran group) to honor the loss of a veteran. This is due to an identification in Turner Kirkland's popular publication and another early publication which was an early attempt to identify veteran medals and badges. Neither had a reference as to their ID source.Fast forward many many years and I start collecting CW. I buy a few of these Widow's medals. Then I come upon a medal with photo. The identification is problematic unless you fast forward the 1903 photo to today's standards for unions! Note Kirkland's ID never said widow just family member.Further research and a discussion with a man out to prove the identity of the medal and the real ID is confirmed as the Malta Jewel from the Knights Templar. Search all over and you will see it listed incorrectly. The Internet is a powerful tool just be sure of the source.A few early mistakes in my collecting career led me to invest in good quality books and understand what I am buying. Most of the time now I know more about the item than the seller and I give them information about an item.I hope this is helpful and will lead people to keep good quality research alive. I would like to see members of the board eventually put together the whole story on these pouches and their variations.Great discussion.Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 This is interesting...so are you saying that the Malta Medal, being more common, is sold asthe GAR Medal which is rare? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Didn't US webbing require a certain number of threads per inch, that would be one way to determine authenticity. Not sure what that number is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 This is interesting...so are you saying that the Malta Medal, being more common, is sold asthe GAR Medal which is rare? BobNo, this medal had no affiliation to the Civil War, other than many vets also belonged to Masons. Knights Templars, and other fraternal organizations so one could have belonged to a vet, but it had nothing to do with a death of the veteran as publicized in at least two books and then carried on by sellers still to this day. Back before the internet more people relied on books for information and other sources were not readily available. Now everyone relies on the internet where anyone can post and few rely on modern books. In both cases, the proof of the information source is paramount. It could be that someone correctly id'ed these pouches, but I have yet to see any definitive proof of that occurring in all that I have read so far. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1957 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 How about another country we gave US guns to that may have produced them? Greece, etc. Its certainly makes sense it could have been made for Vietnam, but it could have been any other allied country we gave guns to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I don't pretend to be any kind of expert on web gear, but why would the U.S. contract for "sterile" equipment and then accept something that had "United Carr Boston Mass" stamped on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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