allweaponsww2 Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 I have a strange photo of Tommygun. Which model is this? BSA, or Chinese Copy ... Or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halftrack Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 Appears to be the 9mm version M1 Thompson that the AOC was experimenting with during the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allweaponsww2 Posted May 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 Appears to be the 9mm version M1 Thompson that the AOC was experimenting with during the war. During WWII .. Was it somehow connected with deliveries in UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 Could it be a .22 cal? West Hurley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorcar Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) Per Tracie Hill's "Thompson: The American Legend" page 232, it is a Savage 9mm Thompson built in October 1941. Unknown end user request for 12,000 of these and no serial number info is available. Also page 394 Hill's UTB same info. Edited May 6, 2020 by Motorcar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allweaponsww2 Posted May 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) Автомобиль, 6 мая 2020 года - 22:49, сказал:По словам Трейси Хилла «Thompson: The American Legend», страница 232, это Savage 9-мм Thompson, построенный в октябре 1941 года. Неизвестный запрос конечного пользователя на 12 000 из них и информация о серийном номере недоступна. Также страница 394 ето та же информация.He has a weird magazinefor the 9 mm Para.. magazine C-type is curved (“banana”). The 9 Para magazines that I know had a direct I-type (MP 18,28,38,40,41 / Suomi / Beretta / STEN / Osten / AUSTEN). But in the C-type magazine (for example, there were 7.63 Mausers and 7.62 Tokarevs. Since the cartridge has the shape of a bottle. Maybe I'm wrong ... Edited May 8, 2020 by allweaponsww2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpw43 Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 All the 9mm Thompson photos I've seen have the curved magazines.Don't know why, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMG28 Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 All of the BSA magazines that were designed for their 1929 guns are of the curved design. BSA had their own patent for these magazines. They come in three calibers and four markings - 9mm PARABELLUM, 9mm BERGMANN, 7.63mm MAUSER, and 30 MAUSER. The last two are actually the same cartridge, with one being the metric and the other being the English designation. No, the curve style is not required for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge as can be shown by the UD42 9mm magazines that also fit the Thompson. Those mags are the straight design the same as the Thompson XX mags, though thinner. The gun does indeed appear to be the 9mm Savage gun made during WWII. It is an M1 style mechanism, but with a top cocking knob. Since there are no production numbers and very few examples, Tracie surmises and I agree that they may have been ordered, but were probably not actually produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allweaponsww2 Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 All of the BSA magazines that were designed for their 1929 guns are of the curved design. BSA had their own patent for these magazines. They come in three calibers and four markings - 9mm PARABELLUM, 9mm BERGMANN, 7.63mm MAUSER, and 30 MAUSER. The last two are actually the same cartridge, with one being the metric and the other being the English designation. No, the curve style is not required for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge as can be shown by the UD42 9mm magazines that also fit the Thompson. Those mags are the straight design the same as the Thompson XX mags, though thinner. The gun does indeed appear to be the 9mm Savage gun made during WWII. It is an M1 style mechanism, but with a top cocking knob. Since there are no production numbers and very few examples, Tracie surmises and I agree that they may have been ordered, but were probably not actually produced. What about this BSA model? You say it had a mechanism in the style of M1? It had't Blish lock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliaferro Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 The BSA pictured is the version chambered in .45ACP and used standard TSMg mags. All BSA known to date usedthe Blish Locking system. Tracie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allweaponsww2 Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 The BSA pictured is the version chambered in .45ACP and used standard TSMg mags. All BSA known to date usedthe Blish Locking system. Tracie Thanks. But I mean it "Savage Model". It has an M1 style mechanism, what did he mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMG28 Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 The M1 design eliminated the use of the Blish lock and is a straight blow-back design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allweaponsww2 Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 The M1 design eliminated the use of the Blish lock and is a straight blow-back design. Ok It was blow-back, but with a top cocking knob. Interesting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 All of the BSA magazines that were designed for their 1929 guns are of the curved design. BSA had their own patent for these magazines. They come in three calibers and four markings - 9mm PARABELLUM, 9mm BERGMANN, 7.63mm MAUSER, and 30 MAUSER. The last two are actually the same cartridge, with one being the metric and the other being the English designation. No, the curve style is not required for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge as can be shown by the UD42 9mm magazines that also fit the Thompson. Those mags are the straight design the same as the Thompson XX mags, though thinner. The gun does indeed appear to be the 9mm Savage gun made during WWII. It is an M1 style mechanism, but with a top cocking knob. Since there are no production numbers and very few examples, Tracie surmises and I agree that they may have been ordered, but were probably not actually produced. What about this BSA model? You say it had a mechanism in the style of M1? It had't Blish lock? Attached are some pictures of the curved BSA 7.63mm Mauser magazine in my collection. Stay safe Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliaferro Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 The BSA styled TSMGs used either a straight box mag (photo 286 Ultimate Book) or a curved mag (photo 295 Ultimate book) dependingon the frame design. Tracie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 The BSA styled TSMGs used either a straight box mag (photo 286 Ultimate Book) or a curved mag (photo 295 Ultimate book) dependingon the frame design. Tracie Tracie,Was that one of the differences between the Model of 1926 and the Model of 1929? Stay safe Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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