Murray Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Chris, That is a nice looking gun and I agree with most of the posts. The Remington upside down anchor (not navy) is very small and on the very front of the butt stock wood about an 1/8th inch below the lip of the stock assembly floor plate. On my Colts it is very faint and hard to pick out. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/unsure.gif One question. Did you note what the drum was and does it come (go) with the gun. One would assume so. Best of luck. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1930sRust Posted May 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Murray: I do recall seeing the anchor, faint as you say. I imaged the drum, and I have attached the panels. Maybe you can tell me more about it. http://www.darklightimagery.net/thompson/drumpanels.jpg It is importnat that I do not get my hopes up about acquiring this Thomspon (and you all shouldn't, either!). I can think of many, many reasons why it will not happen. I cannot believe I'd have been the first to ask, or make an offer. It is a big department, so they may not need the cash. It may not be transferable. Perhaps it was confiscated and never registered. Which leads me to my next question. What can we suppose about the gun from the fact it has GI parts in it? Could it have been bought by the agency post-WWII? It would seem to me that the gun would not have seen any "gangster action" (which is the going story there at the SO). If it had been confiscated in the roaring thirties from some gangster, it would not likely have GI parts in it, at least it doesn't seem like it. I am sure others can posit some theories as well.... CG PS: Poprivit: How is it that the NFA gave you info on the serial number of that SO gun? Did you work there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig101 Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 the NFA has been known to tell you if the gun is registered or not, BUT NOTHING ELSE! it is like every other agency, rules are different depending on who you talk to. but i know of a few people on subguns who have called the NFA and given them the serial number and model and they told them if it was registered or not. they wouldn't tell you anything else though. luck of the draw i guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Chris-- Fantastic find! Hope you can acquire it. Thanks for the pictures to add to my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Chris, I believe that the drum is a 1928 Worcester, not a WW2 drum. Look at the location of the "C" in CAL which is directly below the "H" in MACHINE above. That is a clue. All of the WW2 Drums have the makers names on them in one form or another. Valuable drum in excellent condition, although I would deal to that spot of dirt in the mag catch slot! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/unsure.gif Go for it! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif By the way, the oil bottle is the first model 1921 oil bottle. Regards Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1930sRust Posted May 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Rejection! "Trooper Anderson, I have received and reviewed your correspondence and offer to purchase the Thompson machine gun we have on display at our department. Unfortunately I cannot allow the gun to be sold. The Thompson machine gun does have a history with the Department and it would be inappropriate to sell part of this Department's past history. I do appreciate your interest and offer to purchase the Thompson and wish you luck in your search for other pieces of history. Sincerely, ect...." Should I walk away? Maybe he doesn't know how much I am willing to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Dang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hammer Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Nice try Chris, but I think this fellow knows he has something there. Damn, and I was ready to by that tricked out WH of yours! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Mike Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Chris, I think the CLEO has seen too many "Antique Roadshows." If you offer him even $12K-$15K, it will probably only confirm his suspicions that his TSMG is not only valuable to the department but to collectors as well. This may also have something to do with the PD's delay in approving Mike's negotiations to procure their TSMG's. It does suggest that if a PD should sell their registered obsolete weapons, wouldn't they owe it to their resident tax payers to auction the guns off so as to get the most funds to finance their department's needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1930sRust Posted May 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Arthur: Yes. It is what I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONHART Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Damn, that's the real shits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Chri, Nice picture of the drum. Murray is correct, it is a 1928 Worcester Pressed Steel manufactured drum for Auto-Ordnance. There is no comma after the N.Y. like the Colt contracted drums. It is identical to the Colt guns in every other respect with the esception of the rotor, which is generally blue as opposed to nickel colored. I think the gun has belonged to the department for a long time and at some point the barrel was shot out or had a bulge. It was replaced, probably a long time ago, with the WWII parts that were readily available. I think you said the bolt was Savage, but I would venture to guess that the sear, trip, rocker, etc. might stilll be original Colt parts. Too bad they don't want to sell it. Replacing the barrel would be the most expensive thing to locate and replace, but you really wouldn't want to shoot it too often, especially if it was restored with original Colt parts, provided they could even be located. It was a nice thought. Maybe they'll let you shoot it sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Sorry Chris, Remember, you've got a great WH that any of us would love to have! Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 That's darn too bad. Sounds like they know what they have and it would be difficult to change their minds at this point. You might try again later, because minds and administrators change over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Chris, I will buck the trend here. I think that if you make a reasonable offer, they just may weaken. Of course, you risk raising the ire of the CLEO. Yet, keep in mind the old adage, "nothing ventured, nothing gained." http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif You won't know until, and if, you try. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Do you want to risk some other guy coming along with the intrepid spirit to make an offer, taking the prize? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif Just some food for thought. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Best Regards, Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Chris, Be Patient! I agree with Walter here... I have two e-types in my garage because I went back politely and on a regular basis to an individual who kept saying "no", until he finally caved in (6 years later) and sold (cheap!). It taught me a good lesson, and I have many other things that I got after being rejected on the first approach. Yes, it could bite you in the ass; but if you are patient, persistant, and confident in your desires, you will be rewarded. I'd wait about 6 months at a time, then maybe new people will come and go in the departsment as well. Mike had bad luck because of turnover, but you only stand to get better luck! Go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNKen Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Most departments have trouble with local ordnances about selling stuff. Maybe try an angle of trading stuff to them, i.e. cop's favorite tupperware, Glocks, AR-15's or Benelli shotguns. That might be more attractive. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffen Und Bier Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 I don't blame a PD for not wanting to sell a piece of its history. Even if they got $12-15,000 for it, that money would get piddled away in no time. With a $6,000,000 budget, that's nothing. We have a 1961 Chevy Biscayne police cruiser fully restored (through donations) that we've had for years. People try to buy it citing the same argument. It is a piece of our PD history. Yeah, we could get a few bucks for it, but we would no longer have a piece of our history. A previous administration traded off an M3 Grease gun we had since 1963. They traded it for a Mini 14 and three Mossberg shotguns (over howls of objections from me). This was when an M3 went for $1200. The Mini and the three shotguns have long since gone from service worth nothing to the PD. On the flip side, if a PD is not caring enough about their history, I'll buy every transferable machine gun or every restored 1932 Harley Davidson police motorcycle they want to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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