Thompsonlover Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Hi GuysI would appreciate any input on this 28 Lend-Lease. This is a different one then the dealer I was talking too. Still waiting on pics of that one. This one has matching numbers. Price is $23,950 To my eyes, the receiver just in front of the 1928 markings looks wavy to me. Reblue?? Edited May 24, 2015 by Thompsonlover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompsonlover Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Found this Lend-Lease pic on the net for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
06AngusSG Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 The edges, especially on the compensator and barrel look to have had a bad polish job. The edges are very soft and rounded. My guess is at least some parts have been refinished. I would wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompsonlover Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 The edges, especially on the compensator and barrel look to have had a bad polish job. The edges are very soft and rounded. My guess is at least some parts have been refinished. I would wonder why...I thought it might have been refinished too. To my amateur eyes, the blueing looks thick?? I have emailed the buyer asking if the finish in his opinion, is original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Going by the pictures I would say that without question this gun has been reblued.The compensator and sight clearly have the original sharp profile of the machinededges and crisp engraving rounded from polishing. Also the safety and rocker pivot.The most obvious place is the front edge of the rear sight base which has been deeplygouged by polishing - compare to the photo put up by Thompsonlover. This looks like a nice gun but I would certainly examine it to see if it has beenwelded because the gun looks to be in nice enough shape that rebluing was notnecessary. Of course, the gun may have have been reblued 50 years ago long beforeThompsons were as valuable as they are today... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompsonlover Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Just received email from seller who said the gun has not been refinished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annihilator Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 The "US patents stamp" looks strange to me, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 The seller is wrong. The gun has been refinished. This is one of those situationswhere if you could put two guns - original vs. refinished next to each other the differencewould be obvious. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
06AngusSG Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I agree with reconbob. I believe either the seller is wrong and just has no knowledge of it being refinished since he has owned it or there is dishonesty there. Either way I would not buy w/o viewing it in person to verify condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompsonlover Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Sorry I misread his email.He said it has been refinished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Dudley Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I'd like to see it close up, too. I see some curious things in the center of the drum slot that may suggest reweld. The picture of the upper from the bottom without bolt looks to have weld bubbles, which made me look at the side shots of the ejection port (drum slot area) where I see some uneven lines possibly from grinding welds. Without a closer view, I'm not sure, but it bears further investigation. U D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 The safety and fire-selector lever are not correct for the serial number and appear to have been replaced at a later point in time... They should still be knurled at a Savage-Thompson with that serial number, plus the magazine-catch should be an earlier one without a hole... Just some details that may or may not be important to you, but wanted to point them out.I just posted photos of a Savage-Thompson in the 63xxx range that features those earlier parts, it might be of interest: http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17788 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
765 21D Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Hi Thompsonlover, This Thompson is a pre - lease lease one with a British war department arrow and Enfield inspection mark and could be a nice gun to own, but you would need to inspect the gun before you even think about buying. I agree with Recon Bob and Uncle Dudley do not buy this gun until you know what is going on with receiver. The early patent numbers are fine. You can fix the finish on this no problem if you want it to look like it did when it was first made. As Freddy stated some parts have been changed, but I believe you should be able to find these parts without problems. Regards, D Edited May 25, 2015 by 765 21D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompsonlover Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Thanks for everyone's opinion. I'm a novice at this and that's why I turn to people more knowledgeable about these guns then me. I will ask the seller if this is a Rewat or if the gun has been rewelded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Henley Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Sorry I misread his email.He said it has been refinished! Obviously, as others have pointed out. A close inspection of the receiver is also clearly warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 How can one "fix the finish no problem" on a gun like this? How are you going tofix the clearly buffed/gouged sight base? The buffed front sight and compensator?The engraving? I think this statement is unduly optimistic. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompsonlover Posted May 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) I think I'm going to pass on this one. Thanks again for everyone's help! Edited May 25, 2015 by Thompsonlover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 I think you should really consider how much you want to pay, then stick to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
765 21D Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Perhaps my statement was unduly optimistic, but to be fair Bob I do not have your trained eye in these matters and that is why I also said the gun needed to be inspected. There is something not right with the inside of the receiver in photo 8 and even I can see that. I will also add I was only talking about doing a new Du-Lite refinish to the metalwork. I did not see your earlier post about all the other problems with this gun. D Edited May 25, 2015 by 765 21D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadycon Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 In my opinion; the price seems to be good enough that a closer inspection by potential buyers is in order. Pictures can be deceving as everyone knows. If not a welded or repaired reviever it would be a nice shooter. Who knows if a potential buyer makes an offer that they may get it at a lower price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hammer Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 From the pics shown, looks a refinished reweld, would need to examine in-person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylta Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 This is what your looking for in a NY-NY Savage gun.Darryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompsonlover Posted May 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 This is what your looking for in a NY-NY Savage gun.DarrylThat's a beauty! Like your stand too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgvince Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Yes Great looking gun. I agree; That stand is really good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 If I am not mistaken this is the same gun we looked at a few weeks ago: http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17689 It is an early cash-and-carry Savage Thompson that appears to have been owned by a police department in the USA after the war and was refinished at some point in time. While a careful inspection is in order for any gun that anyone wants to buy, I don't see anything that would make me think this gun has a welded receiver. Please point out the problem(s) with a picture with arrows and an explanation of the issues. I want to learn from this. I am not good at judging the receiver angles from pictures but can state the markings appears deep and sharp - certainly not buffed out. I agree about some of the parts being wrong for this early of a Savage but it probably went through an arsenal rebuild before being imported and sold in the USA. This 28 looks like it would make an excellent shooter and is probably a good candidate to restore to as-issued condition should anyone have the mind. If I was in the market for a Savage 28 shooter, I would look at this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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