Military Probes Shooting Of Prisoner!

[Walter63a]

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[full auto 45]

Hey, it's called WAR. Not for the faint of heart. The are the enemy. They booby trap their own dead bodies to blow us up. Let them eat lead.

[junglewalk]

http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif Mike's right; Our Marines are tying to follow all the rules, but the other side is violating so many 'rules of war', and don't give a damn........The SOB on the floor should have had his hands up to give up/ But no, to our Marines, he was at the ready to do, who knows what to our men........Our men deserve nothing but praise and our graditude. The fanatics on the other side, no uniforms, play like giving up, then shoot our guys, play dead, then attack our side, booby trap everything !......Smash them!... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif .............jw

[PK.]

I wasn’t there (in spite of the camera), so I have to trust that the investigation will reveal the truth and have faith that the right action will be taken. I could not feel this way if this situation had occurred during the Klinton years but with Don Rumsfeld in the pentagon, I think the truth will out.

[DDAYJune6]

I agree that the bastard probably deserved it but thats not the point. thats whats suppposed to make us better then them.

[Nick Iannamico]

A dead GI does not make us better than them, a dead terrorist makes us better than them! I personally feel he should of beat the guy to death with the butt of his rifle. That is my opinion, yours may vary from mine.

 

Somewhere along the line the lines people forget they are trying to KILL US! Thank god this GI beat him to the punch.

[normandy123]

I agree and put yourself in the role of the soldier who does not know if the guy has a pistol or detonator under his body or clothing...like taught in all police classed and backed by Supreme Court decisions...anything considered 'furtive' movements is grounds to pull your weapon and end the threat...at time of war, reason is out the window and he who shoots first wins...period...

[Sig]

The person who should have been shot is that reporter that released that tape to the Arab Networks, what are we stupid?

[Sgt]

When it comes to news, reporters would sell their souls.

[chopperjimmy]

Lets see,

Option #1 Don't fire on a enemy soldier that you are not sure can kill you and all your squad partners who has been actively engaging in trying to kill you and all your squad partners by any means possible.

 

Or Option #2 Make certain that someone can not kill you and your squad partners-that you are unsure of if they are alive or not, and cannot make certain if they are a threat to you or not.........HMMMM

 

#1 My Country, #2 My life and the lives of those around me of whom I am to protect with my life, #3 some enemy soldier who might kill me and all my squad buddies, #4 and liberal bleeding heart leftists that are crying foul.

 

The order of importance in the above sentence is crucial. Don't ever get #2 and #3 mixed up- May God bless America

This is not about dying for your Country, it is about getting someone else to die for theirs. My opinion-

[giantpanda4]

Sig nailed it....

 

What they film is one thing. What happened in this war is not uncommon. What they do with the film is another. Who decides what to do with film like that? Producers sitting in a overly liberal media room? Maybe they are terrorists in our own country!

[ODS9091]

And what about all these 'great' Iraqi citizens that are just outraged at an innocent, unarmed old man being brutally 'murdered'. Have any of these same 'citizens' spoken out in disgust about Pearl, Berg, Hassan, etc..etc..etc..etc..etc... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif

[Bisley45]

Not enough evedince on tape. The cretin was probibly wounded right outside the door and who knew what kind of detonator or grenade or pistol he could have. Anyone else remember something about detached reflection can not be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife. This poor GI was just trying to get home to his family and friends and until the bad guy is certified DEAD he is still a threat, mosque or no.

 

Anyone remember reading about what the moselems did in battle to the ocupants of the cristian citys? In the Christian city of Fez the streets ran red with blood and they dipped their hats in it making them red.

 

This is trial by sensationalest media, they should have their cameras replaced by guns for a day or two of combat with determined fanatic's and see if that changes their morals, if they have any....

 

just my .02

BB

[anticus]

The problem is the power of the image. That insurgent in the mosque may well have been hiding a firearm or grenade. And it follows that no judgement should be made until the official investigation presents it's findings. But what people will remember is what they saw on CNN-over and over again and twice at the top of the hour.

Does anyone remember the photo of General Loan shooting the VC terrorist in the head ? Happened at the start of Tet. There was also some really gory film of the incident that NBC aired on their prime time news broadcast. Graphic stuff and it shocked a lot of people.

But no one at the time-except Adams himself-explained that the VC guy was seen murdering people all over Saigon. That's not what mattered. People condemned the execution as barbaric, with no understanding of the reality on the ground.

 

Here's what Adams had to say at the time of Loan's death in 1998:

 

http://www.treefort.org/~cbdoten/rvntanks/080-4450.htm

 

John

[farfuture]

Here's what bothers me...

 

These Marines came through, had a battle, shot some guys, and disarmed them, and then went on. They didn't give any help to the wounded, didn't capture them, didn't make them prisoners-of-war. Just left them there.

 

“The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.”

 

The Geneva Convention (Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field), Article 3, Para 2.

 

 

So are we not taking prisoners? Do we not have enough soldiers on the ground to do that? Isn’t it dangerous (as well as inhumane) to leave wounded enemy troops laying around on the battlefield?

 

 

“Members of the armed forces and other persons mentioned in the following Article, who are wounded or sick, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances.

“They shall be treated humanely and cared for by the Party to the conflict in whose power they may be, without any adverse distinction founded on sex, race, nationality, religion, political opinions, or any other similar criteria. Any attempts upon their lives, or violence to their persons, shall be strictly prohibited; in particular, they shall not be murdered or exterminated, subjected to torture or to biological experiments; they shall not wilfully be left without medical assistance and care, nor shall conditions exposing them to contagion or infection be created. “

The Geneva Convention (Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field), Article 12.

 

Now I understand that these insurgents may not be subject to the Geneva Conventions. But are we leaving it to rank and file soldiers to interpret the conventions; It would seem to me that a good plan for retaking Fallujah would have to include provision for taking prisoners, caring for the wounded of both sides, and generally showing the good side of the USA. Otherwise, why not just blast the hell out of the mosques with insurgents inside (we don’t because it looks bad). So who decided not to take prisoners?

 

[Kevin]

Farfuture, you should get out of the legalsleze and try living in the real world. Reality is not so easy to live through.

Kevin http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/dry.gif

[full auto 45]

Did these insurgents have any sympathy when they beheaded all these people, including a family name sake of mine? Well of course not. They are just blood thirsty thugs that want to run via terror. Well the piece of shit got what he deserved. And if I had the chance I would do the same to every one that was moaning on the ground. But not that quick. Now I know some of the youngsters here will say "oh, God how can you say that?" It's easy. They do not care for us or our kind. I don't care for or trust any of them. That is all of the Mud-slim religions.

They are just as nasty as those moles in 1930srust's yard! (see attached photo)

Ok, I'm off my soap box. Flame away kiddies.

 

http://www.darklightimagery.net/thompson/deadmole.jpg

[21 smoker]

The bottom line,once again,... is that the security of our troops was comprimised by a `reporter`in the name of`presenting the truth`....what a total bunch of s##t!...the scumbag reporter edited the film,that is a known fact...he took that piece of film out of context and then released it for all the world to condemn it and the rest of the U.S.,...he affected the safety of every soldier over there and made the overall mission that much more difficult... a micheal moore in training...frag`em... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

[colt21a]

semper-fi 1968-1974...i owe that battle weary marine a steak dinner.

and i hope he make's it home in one piece,safe....and not with a mark on his record,just his iraq service ribbon...

 

for serving in a desert sinkhole,

 

i will keep my personal comment's to myself.

 

it might start a war....with the armchair's..wink!

 

take care,ron

[Poprivit]

What about the woman aid worker who had been over there for years, helping the people? She was kidnapped, held for days, had a bag tied over her head, then was shot dead by terrorists.

 

These people do not think like you or me - especially not like leg-wetting members of the Fourth Estate. We've had it soooo easy here while other nations kill their own people, train terrorists to kill women, children and anyone a suicide bomb can reach. So a person was killed in a combat zone, so what? It's not like he didn't know there was a war going on around him.

 

I was in 'Nam, life with people shooting at you, is different. Plus, if you read the article all the way, the soldier was wounded the day before by a booby-trapped body.

 

In the Southeast Asian War Games of the 60s and early 70s, we were taught, "shoot 'em all, let God sort them out."

 

Was that right? I don't know, but I'm here to think about it, and a lot of others aren't.

 

Grrrrrrrr! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif

[Mike Hammer]

"Kill em All, let God sort em out"! Let's give em some of their own medicine and chop a few of their heads off, thats the only thing these barbarians understand anyway. All the fainthearted liberals out there who disagree can kiss my #%@*! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

 

Mike Hammer

[snipershot1944]

Mike-I think that you need to be more sensitive to local customs and the prevailing religion. It should be "shoot them all and let Allah sort them out".

 

Sniper

[Mike Hammer]

Sniper: Of course you are right, I stand corrected. I do hope those poor muslums will forgive my 'faux pas'...the sniviling bastards! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

 

Mike Hammer

[full auto 45]

No Mike you were correct. It's God, Allah, Stan, Bill or what ever you want to call him, it's one in the same God. It's the ignorant people of the sand pits that misunderstand his meanings.

[SamG]

The only mistake the Marine made was leaving an enemy* cameraman as a witness.

 

Maybe the camera crews should start watching their backs....? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

 

*What's that? He was a US reporter? Then I guess that makes him a traitor.