reconbob Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I have had a couple of calls recently from guys who want to replace the receivers on their Thompsons. One is a really crappy reweld that works but the guy is hoping to "condemn" it and replace with a new tight receiver. The other is a fatigue-cracked WH that is slowly getting worse. I have not seen either of these guns, I'm just going by what I was told. The question is, does the ATF allow you to replace a damaged/worn out receiver with a receiver of the same model and type, and you turn in the old one to them? Of course the work would have to be done by a Class 2, etc. Thanks in advance for any info. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevengunner Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Reconbob - No. Not permitted. On transferable machineguns, only the original manufacturer can replace the damaged receiver with another. Sven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I have heard that the original manufacturer ONLY can make a replacement receiver. Third parties are not allowed to "make a replacement." I am not a C3 or an expert on the matter, so take this with a grain of salt. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Does Kahr Arms manufacture a 1928/M1A1 Thompson for Law Enforcement, Government or Export Sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 QUOTE One is a really crappy reweld that works but the guy is hoping to "condemn" it and replace with a new tight receiver. This sounds like a job for PK. If anyone could save a badly damaged Thompson receiver, it would be PK. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 posty model only, just like if you have a colt and it go's POP!no new one to replace it. only ruger can fix there current stuff...and maybe luck witha m-16 from colt.but i really do doubt it. otherwise you could imagine the nightmare with n.f.a. just like you can't make up a colt gun and transfer the number from one to another and destroy the old rec. if a manufacture tell's you he can...i want to see that in writing from the gov.good luck. however i'm pretty sure.they are stuck with what they got....take care,Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Or I'll buy it cheap as a display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 The Magic 8Ball says "I don't think so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Greg, Can the original manufacturer of the machine gun replace the machine Gun receiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 How much of the original reciever has to be there for it to be considered "original"? Just like doing a car restoration.. the receiver should be able to be revitalized ( my new word of the month http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif ) by PK or reconbob back to factory new.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3BigDaddy Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Nope no more... At one point they were letting this happen but alas those were the good ole days... I would do a search on Sturm (ugh) and subguns on the subject it has been discussed at length on those boards...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Ummmm.. what if you just "got it done"??? Uncle Sugar doesn't need to know EVERYTHING..... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3BigDaddy Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 QUOTE (Hawkeye_Joe @ Jan 19 2007, 07:37 PM) Ummmm.. what if you just "got it done"??? Uncle Sugar doesn't need to know EVERYTHING..... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Correct unless something else triggered it, no one would ever question it.... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 QUOTE (TD. @ Jan 19 2007, 11:57 AM)Greg, Can the original manufacturer of the machine gun replace the machine Gun receiver? I think Oly Arms was doing this and someone wrote a letter to ATF wanting to know if it was kosher. ATF told Oly to knock it off. I believe Ruger replaces their receivers with already existing new ones (pre-86) with a new serial number when you send them a broken one. I'll make a call and pose the question again to see which way the wind is blowing this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 QUOTE (Tman @ Jan 22 2007, 11:07 AM) QUOTE (TD. @ Jan 19 2007, 11:57 AM)Greg, Can the original manufacturer of the machine gun replace the machine Gun receiver? I think Oly Arms was doing this and someone wrote a letter to ATF wanting to know if it was kosher. ATF told Oly to knock it off. I believe Ruger replaces their receivers with already existing new ones (pre-86) with a new serial number when you send them a broken one. I'll make a call and pose the question again to see which way the wind is blowing this year. Tman, I think that Oly Arms was replacing "assualt weapon" reveivers that were banned under the 1994 crime bill, not NFA weapons. These were AR-15 type guns that were legally purchased, but needed to have the receiver replaced. HCI (or one of anti-gun groups) caught word of this and pinned them. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading this in a few places back when the ban was in effect. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amafrank Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 I believe that Oly was replacing MG receivers too and not only ones that were originally made by them. According to BATF regs a couple years back the original manufacturer of the firearm could legally replace the receiver with a new one of the same type and renumber it to the one being replaced. The original then had to be destroyed. I'm guessing that they never really intended the MG's to be included in this and ruger has never been a believer in that rule. I had it on paper and showed it to the idiots at ruger when I found a crack in one of my 10/22 receivers. They would not renumber a receiver to replace it. Because of Oly's work trying to save irreplaceable MG's the ATF ruled that this could no longer be done. Once again we have a regulatory arm of the govt making capricious rules with no basis in the laws existing. "Congress shall make the Laws" but atf will make rules binding on the peons and causing their cats to be stomped, doors to be kicked in and places of business/residence burned down. Just my 2 cents. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Talked to the powers that be at FTB and NFA and both said that if companies are replacing damaged registered receivers that it would be considered a 'new manufacture' of an NFA weapon and the new receiver would be a post '86 MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandShooter Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 I was in touch with Oly in 2005 about replacing my PAWS receiver. Here is their reply. "Hi! We do not currently remake class III receivers as the ATF has had issues with it in the past. We are trying to work this out with them, but it might be a while before we come to an understanding. Thank you for your patience with us in this process. Feel free to contact our Returns and Repairs dept. for over the phone help with your rifle." Don R.Teague I will probably contact them this spring for an update. My understanding is that it was someone from the net that had to be right and pestered the ATF to make a ruling. Rumor has it that this person was a Colt collector and could not stand that the OLY RR's were surpassing colts in price since they could be replaced. This is how infighting and jealousy amongst ourselves will destroy us in the long run. My .02 Bill Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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