wwiifirearms Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 After many years of talking about it, a friend of mine says he may be ready to sell me his Colt 1921A. I'd value some expert input on how original it is. The gun appears well used, maybe 60% finish, but fairly original to my untrained eye. Upper and lower numbers match. I suspect the stock is not original, but don't have any specific reason and don't know much about them, just "something about it".Observations would be appreciated. http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/DBF5C53E-0927-4407-B388-05455A4B8A53.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/BC784447-68BF-43C3-B5E6-20E6174DA419.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/737F1877-3F55-44BE-9BB0-384E0E0C123D.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/D8EA91DA-D7BA-409E-8F35-7B79A19D23FA.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/6C28181B-B426-49D3-842D-87365B986E32.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/50F46E2F-A92C-48E0-A465-0CE5C6D3BA3C.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/5D4F1005-3394-41C3-8725-05BB4473EF2E.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/B0C97B20-625D-4E18-BA44-3D3BE01D491B.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/C553332F-EE14-46E9-A6FC-05C5614AF27E.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/0C95AE4F-F0A8-43E6-8637-502DBC7A1CC2.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/552A513D-454B-4190-A69C-D98189673538.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/646BEC99-1A00-4ECC-8B47-8D2421096403.jpg http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/59CE4310-7760-453C-97AA-48681408C334.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/3D43962C-2520-4C0E-B126-F7B0A8836772.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/59CE4310-7760-453C-97AA-48681408C334.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/3383AD35-E83A-4097-A154-FEA23DBB54AE.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/245328F0-B539-4770-8D3C-6A1B994AD21C.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/53C962DC-4ADE-4E0D-A6B5-51E894C08216.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/B339F21F-C389-47EF-B9EE-D0A5E6FC37C6.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/71120C89-1FE1-4BA8-B798-D4B529BB35F4.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/419FEFE3-E6DA-4809-A7E7-D5218939AD06.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/B21D4635-A244-4E72-B90E-FC1A761DFCE1.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/972C4AE4-4EFC-4985-BD2C-601E0D53B424.jpg http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/3B0AE17D-F13C-46B6-BF49-D5405D48FC91.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/3712A10A-CEAD-4337-ABE4-EC74EB5A4D95.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/3CCB69D4-285D-4EF5-9078-8677C96F33B0.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/873DAB29-0317-4B06-9F0A-4A9A581542F6.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/52C0FC66-B620-48DD-869D-ACBA756D7323.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/C8593DB7-860D-4CBD-AD2E-68BFDE4184E6.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azboater Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) I am far from an expert but I think that is a beautiful original piece of History. The stock looks original to me.....I am sure the true Board experts will chime in shortly Edited April 23, 2016 by azboater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Kosher Colt. Jump on it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph12297 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 I don't see anything that looks out of place to me, I would seriously consider it if I had the opportunity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 The stock has the anchor stamp, what more could you want. It was either used to fight crime or make crime and as such more interesting than a gun that sat in a locker for 90 years.Better jump on it.Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 A good friend indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hntrdarren Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Gordon Herigstad;s sixth edition has 1065 as a 21AC , City of Lima, Ohio Police Department ? Either way I love it. It has that been there done that appearance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph12297 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Gordons latest book has it as delivered to the city of Lima Ohio, Police department, 2/5/23. But curiously it is listed as a 21AC in his book. Do the witness marks line up on the barrel? Just curious, awesome Colt for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 There is history to this gun, some deeper research may turn up something more. Dillinger was picked up in Dayton, Ohio and jailed in Lima, Ohio, Sept 22. 1933. There is a story about a couple officers with Thompsons, from the LIMA PD, going over and picking up Dillinger in Dayton. So this gun was active when Dillinger was in jail in lima. His gang broke him out of the Lima jail, October 13, 1933 and the Sheriff was murdered in the process. They took Lima PD Thompson # 6099 with them and was later recovered in Tucson-Probably some historical involvement. This may be the Thompson that was sitting in the other room and missed by the Dillinger gang. My interest is collecting Thompsons with some sort of bandit history, this would be a great one for you. Old John, may of got to look down the barrel of this one. OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubguy Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Early Colt with the Auto Ord bullet logo, what's not to like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Thanks for all the input. My friend that currently has it bought it directly from the Police Department in Ohio decades ago. Now we just need to see if we can finalize on the price, and explain to my wife what happened to the rainy day fund. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) PS - The barrel witness marks line up. This drum is with ithttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/2B52F6D9-4BC2-4689-B121-639BFFD7AC42.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/CA9ADB50-37E1-4334-8097-DF934D633AF9.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/58290A20-4938-438A-A52C-14D4E1A9070E.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss281/wwiifirearms/colt%201921a/6EC641D8-58BC-44F1-9F63-774B376D5858.jpg Edited April 23, 2016 by wwiifirearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Nice photography on the 21A and L drum. Good luck on the purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Thanks! My picture tips: dark background, lots of light, and an iPhone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 If I were going to spend my rainy day fund, this would be the Colt I would want. The "used" Colts have always been my favorite. It looks complete to me. Install a PK barrel with repro PK front sight, PK cut down 28 actuator to 21 style & hybrid buffer pilot along with GI internals and you are good to go. I would also obtain a set of "shooter" grade wood from deerslayer. The original wood has had enough use! The Ultimate Thompson Book (TUTB) shows NO 1065 as being originally owned by the Sandusky, Ohio Police Department. This should be an easy mystery to solve. Thank you for sharing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Looks like everything you could ask for, don't hesitate.Remember, when it comes to the wife, it's always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) This is what rainy day funds are for ! Edited April 23, 2016 by Colt Chopper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) When I was married, when I wanted a gun, I bought it for my wife. She always did not want it and gave it back to me and with orders to take it back. I never could take it back because by her giving it back to me it had sentimental value as a gift. Now that I am a marriage survivor, I do not miss her, but I sure appreciate all of the guns she gave me. (50% of all marriages end in divorce. So what do the other 50% end in? Death! I am alive, I survived marriage.)If you know your wife is not into guns buy it for her and keep the gift when she gives it back. Or, just buy the gun first and let her find it later. When she finds it say that old thing, I have had it for years. That works too. Edited April 23, 2016 by ppgcowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) My wife says go ahead and give it to her. She could sell it :-(Plan B "that old thing" Edited April 23, 2016 by wwiifirearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph12297 Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 AWESOME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadycon Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Very nice and I hope you get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You don't see many unmolested ones these days!!!!!!!!!!!!What's wrong with being honest? I know sometimes it ends in "NO", but a lot of times it's "OK"! Then again everyone's situations are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Actually my wife is pretty tolerant. If I can find a way to keep the bills paid and not hit the kids college fund she won't object. She knows I wouldn't do it if I couldn't make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Nice looking, apparently original, "shooter grade" Thompson and drum. Do the swaps suggested and enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Tell your wife that the rainy day fund got well and truly invested in an asset certain to appreciate faster than the stock market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 BUY IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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