jpw43 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 TD, yes, that is the point I was trying to make. Not that they are old drums. Anyway, I never had a Crosby. I had a Seymour, which functioned flawlessly in my WH. And I have a Numrich drum from '94 that also worked flawlessly. So if this is as good as the Seymour they will be well worth the money! "I was sad because I only had one drum...then I met a man who had none" http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hardrede Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 TD, speculation about the origin of the machinery is not really relevant. FWIW, "IF" the machinery is Lend-Lease, "AND" the technology is US based, "THEN" the drums are not importable without US State Department permission. SO.....ask away, but the consequences could be a PITA! How about we all buy a new-made legal and functional drum and not ask questions that do not apply because these are not Russian Lend-Lease and are not sitting in a Yugoslavian warehouse. Just a thought, your opinion may vary. But remember, import laws are subject to the whim of the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Anyone know what the Crosby Co, of Buffalo NY thinks about a Nationalist Chines company using their name on a product not made by them at their 104 yo plant in NY? Sorta like buying one of those Gucci bags from a guy on a blanket. Sounds very odd, but if they work. ... At a minimum it's trademark theft, I guess we need to lookk the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepshooting.com Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Hey Guys-- I have some more information for you-- 1) These drums are brand new -- not made with any tooling that was given by any country. All tooling was made by the manufacturer within the last year. So while it makes for fun discussions online, there is really nothing to it. Manufacturer designed them for commercial market, and never made them for military. 2) robbo -- Can you shoot me a message with what you needed to do to tweak your drum? The manufacturer is very interested in hearing all feedback. So if there was something you can share, I would love to pass it along. 3) We are basically sold out of drums. As soon as its been confirmed that the last ones have shipped, we will start a waiting list for the next import. 4) Manufacturer received all information that was provided to us. Was especially interested in PhilOhio's suggested improvements. In fact the message we got from them was "Tell Mr. PhilOhio We Thank Him For Suggested Improvements. We Will Study Them To Make Thompson Mag The Best Available" So I'd look for improvements with subsequent production runs. Thanks, -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hardrede Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Thank You Brian. It really served no useful purpose speculating if these drums were "Lend-Lease" or not. ALL it would do is draw attention that is unwarranted and unnecessary. And, it was obvious that they were not if they were new production from Taiwan. FWIW, Taiwan was not a country during Lend-Lease! QUOTE Following the Communist victory on the mainland in 1949, 2 million Nationalists fled to Taiwan and established a government using the 1946 constitution drawn up for all of China. (And I am sure they did not flee with heavy equipment such as drum-building stamping dies and presses! IMHO) QUOTE Lend-Lease was the name of the program under which the United States of America supplied Great Britain, the Soviet Union, China, France and other Allied nations with vast amounts of war material (matériel) between 1941 and 1945. It began in March 1941, nine months before Pearl Harbor. It ended soon after V-J Day, on 2 September 1945. Keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertord Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 QUOTE (keepshooting.com @ Feb 21 2007, 03:57 PM)1) Interord - You should have received a tracking number for two new drums, along with a return postage slip to send the drum back that you had issues with. An export permit has been submitted to send the returned drum for evaluation, and I'm certain it will receive thorough examination by the manufacturer. -Brian Two drums arrived today (1 replacement and 1 additional order) and they both look great so far. Brian even included a prepaid postage sticker to return the problem drum, which was returned to him today for export / evaluation by manufacturer. This is as painless as it gets dealing with a company with exceptional customer service. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Brian, I know this thread has gotten very long for a very good reason. I would like to say thank you for selling a quality drum AT A FAIR PRICE! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Hopefully the future drums will run the same amount and all Thompson owners (full and semi-auto) will be able to own a functioning 50 round drum. Let's all hope that the new congress doesn't outlaw them. Norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgfa4ever Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Received my new drum from Keep Shooting, did not need one seeing 2 brand new West Hurley's came with the West Hurley Thompson that I bought recently but I thought what the heck I'll pick one up and give it a try, well it fits better than the WH's and seems to function properly, I am aware as others that this post has become very long and indeed for very good reason, now..everyone seems to want 100 round drums, but Brian if you read this perhaps something is being missed, if the manufacture of these 50 rounders is able to produce such a quality piece then there is certainly room for other parts, the market the way I see it, especially for Thompson parts is basically wide open, I mean whats really available..junk and then its back to the same vendor for more junk, I certainly hope that Kahr Arms sat up and took notice, theres a new sheriff knocking at the door I think its time to let him in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1921 Gangsta Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 From left to right : Kahr , "Crosby", Bridgeport WW2 The Kahr is the second one Kahr sent me to replace faulty drums and this one must go back because i cant get the winding key off with out a hammer and a wood block (I slashed my finger open trying to put it back together http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/buzgn/Picture010.jpg The Crosby has a more "positive" clicking noise than the Kahr and there is no mistaking a "real Click" with the Crosby , the Crosby also seems to have a stronger winding spring than the Kahr or the Bridgeport from just manually twisting the rotor with the cover off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Hardrede, FWIW, I will decide on what is relevant and irrelevant in my posts. I will also decide on when to speculate. Thank you. Brian, Thanks for the additional information. It is not surprising everything is new technology today given the passage of time. One more time - very nice drums. I can’t wait to try mine out. I started to purchase another one but decided to wait until round two. I like the suggestions offered by Phil to make an even better product. No need in getting greedy as I really don’t need another drum. I like the Crosby markings but wonder if any thought has been given to using different markings. Thanks again for a great product, great price and great service. Please consider producing the Type C drum; competition is a good thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billatlanta Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 PhilOhio My compliments to you on all the effort you've put into this project, time is valuable, and you've spent quite a bit unselfishly for the good of all concerned, THANKS ! Billatlanta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1921A Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 TD Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolman Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 They(keep shooting) said mine has shipped today.. I guess I am a lucky person. the one I got from gun trader has not missed a lick.. I just took it for granted it was a KHAR.. but might be something else cause it works. the drum has a hollow shaft. I bought it from an guy that has only sold 1 item , the drum . .. I hope this one works as good when it gets here, We will see before the week is out Dan WISH A POOR JAWJA BOY LUCK http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Feb 26 2007, 08:27 PM) P.S. After posting this, I went back to the main page and noticed the number of views of this topic so far. I don't recall another subject which came close. Looks like lots of people are going to be after these drums. PhilOhio, The "Replica" thread still holds the record for highest number of views, currently at 6222. It looks like this Crosby drum thread will surpass it soon. Of course, sometime in the future, the "Replica" post will return to the front page.... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandc Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Sent my drum off to Merle "The drum doctor" on sat. to get it modified for the M1A1. I will be interested to hear his review. I suspect he will give it a good review, but we will see. I hope to hear from him later this week. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I was visiting with Merle today and he really liked the looks and feel of the new crosby drum (must have been yours he was holding). God, we are all like kids in a candy store. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hardrede Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 TD, feel free to speculate all you want. It is your choice. However, this is what has been a problem in the past with Lend-Lease and "reimportation." I do have first-hand experience with the Defense Intelligence Activity-Criminal Investigation Division concerning "retransfer" and I was only helping to avoid casting aspersions on a new company that is creating a great, inexpensive product. Your opinion is obviously different. I consider this a closed subject now as the importer has satisfied any speculation as to origin of these drums. Have a nice day. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Sergeant Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 To return to the topic of how these drums run...they do !! Let me just add to the kudos on these drums. I just returned from a range session where I ran a bunch of rounds through the Crosby drum. The only hiccup was user error on my first attempt, I forgot to wind the drum...duh !! After the distinct 9 clicks the drum ran perfect on full-auto, everytime. Kahr won't be able to give their drums away. Thanks Brian !! Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE The only hiccup was user error on my first attempt, I forgot to wind the drum...duh !! I've done that before! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif It works well for one shot, then...click! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertord Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Feb 27 2007, 03:33 PM)I just went through my new Shotgun News. One guy is trying to unload the 10-shot drums for around $110. Another company is trying to flog the Kahr "L" drums for about a whopping $250! They had better give it their all, and fast. The gravy train is about to derail into the swamp. Not many suckers will be buying more tickets. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif I hate to see a train derail (Big Mess) however, in the case of Current Production Reliable Thompson Drums this is the best thing that could ever happened. Gone are the dark days of spending hard earned money for inferior products, meaningless warranties, worthless replacement drums and customer service headaches. The Thompson Folks are being liberated from oppression and wont forget the past. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/woot.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbow Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Do you think Kahr feels like this cat??? http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Topomast/Kahr.jpg http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Now that's funny.... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Mine arrived today along with my new Reising mag they make. I'll test run them both in the next few days. I do like their fast shipping services. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2dogsfightin Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 SOLD OUT!!!! GET ON THE WAITING LIST!!!! HE WHO HESITATES...... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/sad.gif At least maybe Ill be first on the waiting list http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif How much does Merle typically charge to do the M1A1 conversion on a drum ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandc Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Yup, I think it was mine, Denver to him in less than 48 hours via the post office. Thats impressive on it's own, but thats a whole other story. Merle is a great guy, I now know why I hear so much positive about him and his work. In any event I do think he was very impressed with the drum. I talked with him for 15 minutes or so this morning and he had nothing but good to say about these drums. He did mention that some parts were identical to the originals while others did vary a bit. If I understood him correctly he thought that most of the internals would interchange, but the cover would not. Keep in mind that this is the 1st Thompson drum that I've owned and I may have misunderstood, but the fact is that he had nothing but good to say about the drum. As far as cost I think it is going to run around $175-$200, he is running about a month or so to get it done. He did mention that the drum was so nice that he would almost hesitate to cut it up! Look out John E (Who I met from this board) and Basil, the next time we take the Thompsons out I will have a drum too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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