deerslayer Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/797736571 Check this out..I don't think I've seen any discussion on these conversations before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Is this a AOC West Hurley 1927A1 semi-automatic rifle that has been converted to a submachine gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndArmored Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 It doesn't appear to be. I don't see the step resulting from reducing the height of the "upper receiver" by 0.1" (as mandated by the ATF for its approval). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villafuego Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 It's hard to tell rom the provided photos, but it appears to be marked identically to a West Hurley 1928A1..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 I have never heard of PAWS. Maybe they were not quite so elite. This is the firstI have seen or heard of a PAWS conversion. Like Dan says none of the pictures showa receiver or a trigger frame with the O.1" step which would be there is the gun wasoriginally a semi auto. But then what is it? How was it converted? I would love to knowbut unless somebody here knows about these it will probably remain an obscurevariant. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 P.A.W.Shttps://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2729 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 P.A.W.Shttps://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2729 The old Sterling SMG, that was my 'personnel' weapon, before I migrated to the FAMAS in 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1930sRust Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Looks just like my West Hurley did when I bought it... R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 From the title, I thought that the thread was going to be about someone's father's Thompson. FWIW, PAWS did AR-15 to M16 conversions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1957 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Price should be less than a West Hurley 1928. Most likely a good shooter, but I would have to see it in person and test fire it before I would bid on it. It looks like one of the mags may be for the semi. Hard to tell from the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 I very nearly bought a PAWS Sterling back in the 80's. This PAWS Thompson doesn't make sense to me. It looks like a WH 1928. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Is this a AOC West Hurley 1927A1 semi-automatic rifle that has been converted to a submachine gun? I'm going to go out on a limb on this one. Looking at each photo over and over, I say yes. It is a semi converted to a full. Note the purple control lever, a know characteristic of the old West Hurley guns, both full and semi. The obvious give away is WEST HURLEY, NY on the right side. The mismatched colors on the upper and lower. It also looks like grind marks on the mag release. Could be marks from use, but kind of looks like grind marks. So, in my opinion and playing with my dozen or so of semi autos, it sure looks like a semi that was converted by PAWS (Police Automatic Weapons Services). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Be easy to mill of the step so it would slide onto fill auto frame. I asked questions but never heard back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Yes, it's a west hurley semi converted with a GI lower. Fairly simple to do, but utilizes semi cut mags since that part of it was left alone. It's registered and it likely works fine? Value of a bastardized WH.....I guess an auction is the best venue to find out what a shooter thompson is worth to someone. Too bad they didn't do more of them as the registry is pretty short on guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland the Thompsongunner Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Why would someone take the time to modify a semi when they could have just bought a new made full auto from the factory at that point in time. Were the semi guns that much cheaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkel Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Does the WH Thompson semi even have the slots cut for bliss lock? Or could this be a hybrid with a registered firing pin, bolt or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted February 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 I asked questions.. It's a West Hurley semi receiver. So basically a special full auto bolt to make it work.. I've built some of these as post sample machine guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 I would think that it's a $10K gun. What's throwing me off on this one is that it appears to say "Thompson Submachine Gun" on the receiver. I would think it would say "Thompson Semi-Automatic Carbine." David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 was Paws a high quality FA maker? i grabbed a Paws Sterling recently for a bargain and plan to just grab the tube to make a real sterling out of...i was told the gun was a POS, but the tube is high quality People pick on Stemple, but ive been extremely please with the (2) guns of his i own...i see quality in them and the thickest tube out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Huggy, I'm not sure on the PAWS Sterling. I remember it was an anomaly. Didn't look bad when I considered it. I think it was about $600 at the time. (1988). Seems like it might have been in .45, and not 9mm. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 i grabbed what looks NIB for $7500 3 months ago...didnt even bargain with him...here, take my money..after a $400 parts kit and $2200 for andrewski's magic ill have a $10,500 Sterling Mk4 i typically see these $12,000...most are .45...they are a simplified Sterling of PAWS own design...on the surface they look 99% like a sterling, but from what i can tell its flimsy and blah...they dont sell well....only 100 or so made...mine is like serial # 15 or close. i see his name on several guns, so he must have done hundreds of transferables of all types...m16 may be the most common one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deavis Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 I know (knew?) Bob Imel of PAWS back in the day. There are a few of his TSMGs about in Oregon. He is best known for his Sterling copies. The gun shop listing this on GB is quite decent and only about 25 minutes from my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deavis Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) Of note : you can drive 30 minutes between Bob and Merles. Edited February 3, 2019 by Deavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 If you put a full auto bolt in a semi receiver it sticks down 0.100" so youcannot slide the trigger frame on. Machining off the step on th receiver doesnot change this. So does this have a custom bolt that is 0.100" shorter in heightto fit/work with the semi receiver? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer Posted February 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 When I've made one I use a semi bolt with a sear notch and a fixed firing pin.. So it's like an m1a1 in function... so I assume he did about the same.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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