tricky9914 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 I am sure many of you caught the recent Forgotten Weapons video, or have heard the news elsewhere, but it appears that the ATF is re-classifying about 4000 pre-samples as transferrable.... Specifically, these are firearms that were purchased/acquired by police departments prior to 1968 and later sold, which the ATF erroneously classified, at the time, as "pre-samples". I doubt this will including things like MG34's/42s, BARs, Thompsons, MP40s etc... but it looks like a lot of MP5's have already been re-classified (great news for their owners!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 This is great news...I've heard rumors about this for several weeks now. This should bring a lot of RR all original HK MP5s to market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstidan Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 How does one find out if their per sample is now transferrable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Big news! Price drop on MP5's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 59 minutes ago, pstidan said: How does one find out if their per sample is now transferrable? Look at your eforms online inventory in the last column on the right "restrictions" it will have a notation there if a dealer sample Also the highlighted color of the entry line will be white, preMays orange, postMay red, HOWVER I was told that this was not absolute. Out of 7 PreMays 5 of mine are no longer marked restricted, and 1 POST May! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APEXgunparts Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 You would have expected the NFA branch to send out a notice to dealers. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricky9914 Posted May 8 Author Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) I have a pre-may BAR that is listed in white and non-restricted on my eforms but it has been that way since I got it several years ago. It transferred to me on a paper form 3. The form 3 itself is marked as “restricted sales sample”. A dealer buddy of mine has a pre-sample MG-13 that went from yellow to white yesterday, but it begs the question: what would a LE agency have done with an MG13 in the 60’s? Perhaps department heads got them to play with? So many questions! Edited May 8 by tricky9914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstidan Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 I just checked my eforms inventory and no item has any restrictions. That's ain't right as I have a couple post sample re-weld mgs and a couple pre sample mgs and a suppressor. The rewelded mgs were registered around 2000 and constructed from parts kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 I just got off the phone with ATF-NFA and here’s the deal-the specialist (Jason) I spoke with, is in the same boat we are all in-he has NO OFFICIAL guidance, NO OFFICIAL letters or anything to go off of on this. He stated in his 19 years doing this, this one is new to him and he doesn’t understand what’s going on and literally said what I’ve been saying about the 68 GCA. Anyhow-here’s what you have to do to check the status of your serial number(s) Send an email to NFAFAX@ATF.GOV with your serial number, information as to MFG and the model number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Update-you’ll need to follow these instructions. I just got this back on my initial email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricky9914 Posted May 8 Author Report Share Posted May 8 Thanks for the info. i just emailed them a signed letter. Ill let you guys know how long it takes to hear back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 I tried to submit Form 4’s on my pre sample guns and all flagged as “dealer sample” but an HK MP5SD suppressors….one still shows as pre sample but the other would allow the Form 4 to proceed….makes no sense at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Nothing about this on TFATCA's website. Allegedly they were involved in driving the review process so the absence of info seems unusual to say the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillinBama Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 The colors of inventory lines are unreliable. I did a form 4 transfer on each of my pre sample guns and the two MP5's are still restricted, but my HK33 plus 3 other subguns were "approved." I have to think these guns are now transferable. The letter would give you written proof but I have to wonder how long it will take to get a reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austringer Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) Checked last night and out of 3 Pre-Mays I have, 2 are now letting me put them on Form 4s, all my pre-may inventory shows up as white, but one does not let me put it on a form 4. Apparently transferable now: M3A1 and M37 Browning Still pre-may - H&R M14 Edited May 8 by Austringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austringer Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 7 hours ago, Frank Iannamico said: Look at your eforms online inventory in the last column on the right "restrictions" it will have a notation there if a dealer sample Also the highlighted color of the entry line will be white, preMays orange, postMay red, HOWVER I was told that this was not absolute. Out of 7 PreMays 5 of mine are no longer marked restricted, and 1 POST May! Where on eforms inv do I see the restrictions? Mine does not have a restrictions column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Scroll all the way to the right, it'll be there. Here's something no one is thinking about, but really should....everyone is all happy about the now 4,000 "new" transferable MG's on the books due to some "good fortune" and a stroke of a pen........that same pen could be used against us in the exact opposite manor and then where would we be. This is a president of sorts, showing what could happen if things go the sideways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 44 minutes ago, Austringer said: Where on eforms inv do I see the restrictions? Mine does not have a restrictions column. Like John said look on the far right. Additionally to have the color codes show up you have to choose FORM 3, if you choose FORM 4 all rows will be white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) Personally I'm not an SOT so I'm more worried about the other side of this "review." Is ATF also looking at transferable guns that should be re-classified as samples? They've already bitten me in the ass once on that with my late, lamented Stemple M60 affectionately known as Miss Piggy. They decided that it was a postie after they had approved they transfer to me but since it was their error they allowed me to keep it. Thirty-five years on I needed to dispose of it. They originally had said that I could only transfer it to a law enforcement agency but now they are no longer approving LE belt-fed transfers so Miss P was stripped down to a bare carcass, her parts were sold off and she went to the oxy-acetylene BBQ. I figure that cost me somewhere north of $40K. I don't need ATF to do me any more "favors" Edited May 8 by StrangeRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 4 hours ago, StrangeRanger said: Personally I'm not an SOT so I'm more worried about the other side of this "review." Is ATF also looking at transferable guns that should be re-classified as samples? They've already bitten me in the ass once on that with my late, lamented Stemple M60 affectionately known as Miss Piggy. They decided that it was a postie after they had approved they transfer to me but since it was their error they allowed me to keep it. Thirty-five years on I needed to dispose of it. They originally had said that I could only transfer it to a law enforcement agency but now they are no longer approving LE belt-fed transfers so Miss P was stripped down to a bare carcass, her parts were sold off and she went to the oxy-acetylene BBQ. I figure that cost me somewhere north of $40K. I don't need ATF to do me any more "favors" StrangeRanger... I'm right there with you on this one!!! Initially, I was more than happy about this new batch of now supposedly full transferable machineguns. But after reading this thread and giving it some thought, I think that this does nothing but muddy the waters even more. Imagine, the average hardworking joe finally getting enough coin together and then buying one of these newly ATF authenticated "fully transferable" machineguns only to learn later on that the ATF had made a mistake classifying said machinegun as "fully-transferable" which is now determined (by aforementioned said authority) to be a "pre-sample" or worse yet a "post-sample" machinegun causing a drop in value from $45,000 to less than $4,500. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist per se, but is this all part of a movement or masterplan to ban all legal civilian machinegun ownership in the U.S.A.? Or at the very least, turn it into a Cluster F*ck!. If so, purchasing that Swiss chalet I stayed in last summer is looking all that more appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 reposted Re: 3 MP5's at Murphys Wed. Even if the guns remain transferable, whomever the buyer/s are are not particularly smart folk. As RR PP guns the values are not near that high IMO. I'd want 120 month guarantee, not 120 days. My transfers are still over 6 months as of today. I was not aware Wed. mornings are big day drinking days? Interesting to see how some rule changes require public notices, comment periods, and publication, while others just seem to occur in a mushroom garden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Glad someone else is saying what I’m saying on this. Makes me feel less paranoid lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 12 hours ago, maxfaxdude said: StrangeRanger... I'm right there with you on this one!!! Initially, I was more than happy about this new batch of now supposedly full transferable machineguns. But after reading this thread and giving it some thought, I think that this does nothing but muddy the waters even more. Imagine, the average hardworking joe finally getting enough coin together and then buying one of these newly ATF authenticated "fully transferable" machineguns only to learn later on that the ATF had made a mistake classifying said machinegun as "fully-transferable" which is now determined (by aforementioned said authority) to be a "pre-sample" or worse yet a "post-sample" machinegun causing a drop in value from $45,000 to less than $4,500. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist per se, but is this all part of a movement or masterplan to ban all legal civilian machinegun ownership in the U.S.A.? Or at the very least, turn it into a Cluster F*ck!. If so, purchasing that Swiss chalet I stayed in last summer is looking all that more appealing. Your points are super valid. I would hope you guys are extra diligent and careful in how you handle this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 I’m waiting for the first lawsuit against the NFATCA and ATF due to lost revenue over changing status on NFA items. It’s not a couple hundred dollars we are talking about but tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, Got Uzi said: I’m waiting for the first lawsuit against the NFATCA and ATF due to lost revenue over changing status on NFA items. It’s not a couple hundred dollars we are talking about but tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands. Which of course would drag on so long that all the litigants would be dead when the case is decided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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