mohawk64 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Yes. On the under 1000 guns. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Im glad Colt Chopper posted that too because on the surface it looks like a good deal to me and Im just learning about these guns. What is the reason to have the barrel notch or and line on the receiver. Does the barrel seat a special way so the line makes you not over tighten it?? Isnt it just tightened up until snug ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Witness mark identifies the correct position of the barrel relative to the receiver for the front and rear sights to properly align should the barrel with front sight be removed and the same barrel be reassembled. If a new barrel is assembled, then the sight alignment must be addressed by other means and the old witness mark on the receiver can be used to set the new witness mark on the new barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I have asked this before, since the barrels are not indexed, the line must be put there after mounting, or are the barrels put on jig at a light torque spec, marked with an index mark slightly off of the line, and then mounted onto the receivers that has an index line, thus settling on to a specified barrel torque spec and matching index lines. Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I have asked this before, since the barrels are not indexed, the line must be put there after mounting, or are the barrels put on jig at a light torque spec, marked with an index mark slightly off of the line, and then mounted onto the receivers that has an index line, thus settling on to a specified barrel torque spec and matching index lines. Just curious. 2012 thread on this subject:http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13868&hl=%20witness%20%20lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightguy Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 I saw a completely worn out 1921 with a rotted out barrel go for 35k locally. It was on Gunbroker for awhile too.I'm not a buyer but 35K for this gun seems reasonable for a shootable Colt if its a Colt barrel with nice rifling (even replaced). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 we havent seen the internal parts might be stripped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt21 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 That's a good analogy. I'd bet on a replacement barrel job. Either another colt barrel or a Richardson barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 curious why you guys think this one didnt sell?? when ruben can sell a refinished M1a1 for $27,000 over and over...here's Colt for $35k....and no bids...its not perfect...but its $35k and not $45k.. its an odd market for thompsons right now....$25k pitted M1's that sell and $35k colts in nice/decent shape that dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 curious why you guys think this one didnt sell?? when ruben can sell a refinished M1a1 for $27,000 over and over...here's Colt for $35k....and no bids...its not perfect...but its $35k and not $45k.. its an odd market for thompsons right now....$25k pitted M1's that sell and $35k colts in nice/decent shape that dontMaybe it did sell huggy the item timed out but wasnt relisted. Could have been sold after the auction ended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 most/all of my GB sales have been on the side after an auction that was unsuccessful...so i would assume so....just shocked there werent a few bids at $35k had i been in the market today i would have seriously looked into this gun as an option....maybe M1a1's are the only thompsons going up in value...soon to eclipse Colts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 M1 and M1A1 type Thompsons seem to have gone up in price more in the last 3 years than any other Thompsons. There has been about 45% increase in sale price over that time. All of these transferable MGs seem to go up in jerks rather than a smooth line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) there have been so few 1928's for sale and there have been at some points almost weekly M1a1's listed..so im not sure if we know what the price of a 1928 is ruben had a refinished 1928ac that sold quickly for $27...same price as he sold his m1a1's for i dont know what a 1928a1 untouched would sell for...havent seen one for sale in 1.5-2 years cant disagree m1s havent gone up though......$23-27k whereas 2 years ago they were $21-22 a nice Thompson is still a hard find....lots of pitted/refinished guns on the market right now....if i were back in the market for a nice 1928 again i think id be sitting for years waiting for an original finish gun Edited January 16, 2018 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) there have been so few 1928's for sale and there have been at some points almost weekly M1a1's listed..so im not sure if we know what the price of a 1928 is ruben had a refinished 1928ac that sold quickly for $27...same price as he sold his m1a1's for i dont know what a 1928a1 untouched would sell for...havent seen one for sale in 1.5-2 years cant disagree m1s havent gone up though......$23-27k whereas 2 years ago they were $21-22 a nice Thompson is still a hard find....lots of pitted/refinished guns on the market right now....if i were back in the market for a nice 1928 again i think id be sitting for years waiting for an original finish gunIt really depends on how you go about buying. Most nice guns trade hands without going through commercial channels like Gunbroker or the big dealers. Not all, Ive seen some nice guns in those avenues however I see more nice guns trade hands in other places. Those really interested in Thompsons are doing themselves a disservice by not getting involved in the clubs and networking. Some may argue this is just an avenue to sell memberships, however I also speak from experience. Ive learned more my in my last ~11 years in the club than I ever would have looking at books and webpages. As I have gotten more involved and networked more, Ive learned exponentially more. Ron Edited January 16, 2018 by ron_brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Uzi Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Ron-I agree with you on getting involved with the different organizations as you do learn a lot of valuable knowledge. I can also attest to things in the Thompson world selling to collectors before they hit the open market/dealers. High end items sell without anyone being the wiser until its all said and done. I'm still shocked that there hasn't been a thread started about the BSA and T2 Thompsons that were listed on Sturm a couple weeks ago. Seems odd that some of the rarer Thompsons go unnoticed while there is a 3 or 4 page thread about an idiot wanting twice what an M1 is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) because its more interesting to talk about a crazy seller than a dream gun no one here can afford...that T2 has been for sale in the past....i didnt bring it up because it was brought up a year ago when it was listed and not sold then....it was not designed by Thompson and to many people not a thompson...i find it interesting Edited January 17, 2018 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av8tr Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I bought my 1928A1 right here, and it's a nice one. It really depends on how you go about buying. Most nice guns trade hands without going through commercial channels like Gunbroker or the big dealers. Not all, Ive seen some nice guns in those avenues however I see more nice guns trade hands in other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 What makes you think the seller is crazy? His posts here seem coherent and while I've heard a good story or two about an incident I missed, certainly not crazy. What makes you think there are not a number of people here that can't afford it? I know for a fact a good number can swing it and as mentioned by Ron when it does sell it likely will not be a big public ordeal, but a low key private transaction......unless of course you buy it....LOL. The vast majority of MG owners would be described as discreet, bordering on clandestine......then along came the internet. Everyone secretly enjoys watching that guy drive around the RR crossing gate, especially if he just passed you as the gates were coming down. I can't even count the number of guys on Subguns that got hit by the train over the years? None of them were ever collectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) i was talking about the crazy thompson owner with a m1 for $45k with wild stories or removing paint off the gun and having a brand new finish underneath not talking about the $35k colt or T2 gun Edited January 18, 2018 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grease Gunner Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 i was talking about the crazy thompson owner with a m1 for $45k with wild stories or removing paint off the gun and having a brand new finish underneath not talking about the $35k colt or T2 gunThat seller said he had examined 1000s personally and knew this one to be unfired. SOunds too good to be true!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Witness mark identifies the correct position of the barrel relative to the receiver for the front and rear sights to properly align should the barrel with front sight be removed and the same barrel be reassembled. If a new barrel is assembled, then the sight alignment must be addressed by other means and the old witness mark on the receiver can be used to set the new witness mark on the new barrel. Most witness marks are made after installation of a part, unless, like a Garand or 03, the barrel has to be clocked for th efront sight to line up with the rear sight. In this case if the witness mark is, truly at the 1 o' clock position, the barrel has been removed and possibly another installed, with the Cutts Comp changed in position on the barrel. The Front sight should be 90 degrees from a factory witness mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 why, won't he take a Credit Card? Kind od suspicious to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 He sent me pictures of the barrel, definatly a military replacement with what appears to be British proof marks. So obviously the original witness mark means nothing now, other than an indicator it's not the original barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 So its not worth the asking price of $35k?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 So its not worth the asking price of $35k?? Collector market is strange. How much a person will spend depends, how much they want an item, how long they plan to keep it, how much their time is worth, what is the intended purpose. A low number certainly has its pluses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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